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From: NKTB on 6 Aug 2010 08:07
On 6 Aug, 11:06, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> has fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>
> Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> call to lower the DD limit?
> Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>
> Bod

As someone who has a 3-year restricted license because I developed
diabetes I am fully in favour of them reducing the DD limit, possibly
to zero. I get a restricted licence, quite properly IMO, in order
that DVLA can be confident that I can continue to drive without being
affected by hypoglycemia.

Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
the law. Anyone who causes a death through drink-driving should be
given a life sentence.


There is
From: Nkosi (ama-ecosse) on 6 Aug 2010 08:22
On 6 Aug, 13:07, NKTB <north_korean_tourist_bo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 6 Aug, 11:06, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> > has fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>
> > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> > call to lower the DD limit?
> > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>
> > Bod
>
> As someone who has a 3-year restricted license because I developed
> diabetes I am fully in favour of them reducing the DD limit, possibly
> to zero.  I get a restricted licence, quite properly IMO, in order
> that DVLA can be confident that I can continue to drive without being
> affected by hypoglycemia.
>
> Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
> drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
> the law.  Anyone who causes a death through drink-driving should be
> given a life sentence.
>
> There is

I agree with the above staement, but there is the scenario, driver A
leaves the pub slightly over the limit drives down the road through
and intersection controlled by traffic lights. they go through on a
green light below the speed limit and driving cautiously, speedy boy
racer (19 years old) comes flying through the intersection in citroen
saxo or equivalent that is worth less than an eigth of his insurance
premium connect with driver one's vehicle and causes the death of his
18 year old girlfriand or mate in the passenger seat. Who gets the
life sentance.

Nkosi
From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 09:34
"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel7(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e8e8e06-43f8-4453-84de-a713024547b1(a)l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On 6 Aug, 11:19, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>> "bod" <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8c254gF5s2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>
>> > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
>> > has
>> > fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>>
>> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>>
>> > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
>> > call to lower the DD limit?
>> > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>>
>> 2 quotes from the start of that report:
>> "Deaths fell by 5%, from 400 in 2008 to 380 in 2009"... 4 lines later...
>> "The number of accidents involving a death remained at 350".
>>
>> Something doesn't add up!
>
> Try "involving one or more deaths"?

Ahh gotcha - there were 350 accidents involving a death, but 380 people
killed in those 350 accidents. So only 1 person died in the vast majority of
the accidents where someone involved was over the limit. There is nothing to
say that the drunk driver was to blame, but they were involved.


From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 09:35
"Nkosi (ama-ecosse)" <minankosi(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:c962c8f8-a6cd-4fc2-9673-47f25e7b327a(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
On 6 Aug, 13:07, NKTB <north_korean_tourist_bo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 6 Aug, 11:06, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> > has fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>
> > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> > call to lower the DD limit?
> > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>
> > Bod
>
> As someone who has a 3-year restricted license because I developed
> diabetes I am fully in favour of them reducing the DD limit, possibly
> to zero. I get a restricted licence, quite properly IMO, in order
> that DVLA can be confident that I can continue to drive without being
> affected by hypoglycemia.
>
> Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
> drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
> the law. Anyone who causes a death through drink-driving should be
> given a life sentence.
>
> There is

I agree with the above staement, but there is the scenario, driver A
leaves the pub slightly over the limit drives down the road through
and intersection controlled by traffic lights. they go through on a
green light below the speed limit and driving cautiously, speedy boy
racer (19 years old) comes flying through the intersection in citroen
saxo or equivalent that is worth less than an eigth of his insurance
premium connect with driver one's vehicle and causes the death of his
18 year old girlfriand or mate in the passenger seat. Who gets the
life sentance.


Answer:
The 18year old girlfriend and her family. Neither driver will get a life
sentence.


From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 09:52
"Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:y9gmauleo3o8.1950431nr15pq.dlg(a)40tude.net...
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 05:07:04 -0700 (PDT), NKTB wrote:
>
>> Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
>> drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
>> the law.
>
> but lowering the limit will tend not to catch drunks, rather somebody who
> drank quite a lot the night before who isn't a danger to anybody.

So because the alcohol was taken the night before, its OK to drive over the
limit, with reduced reactions, while the kids are walking to school the next
morning? How long would you propose for the 'compulsary sleep' between being
an evening on the lash and driving should be? 8 hours? Longer?

Is it Ok to drive over the speed limit in the mornings?


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