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From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 10:40
"Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:52:03 +0100, GT wrote:
>
>>> but lowering the limit will tend not to catch drunks, rather somebody
>>> who
>>> drank quite a lot the night before who isn't a danger to anybody.
>>
>> So because the alcohol was taken the night before, its OK to drive over
>> the
>> limit, with reduced reactions,
>
> No, its OK because its a small amount. What you need is *full* enforcement
> of a limit that shows impairement, not banning people with tiny amounts of
> alcohol in blood.
> The accidents are caused by people who are pissed, that's the point.

I might have misinterpretted your point, but I don't see why time of day
should have anything to do with it? If you had a skinfull the night before,
then your reactions and reflexes are probably still reduced the next
morning, therefore driving is probably not a good idea. Having a tiny amount
of alcohol in the system wouldn't be over the limit, so I guess you must be
talking about a new proposed limit? The current blood-alcohol limit is
supposed (!) to be set at the limit where driving is impared.


>>How long would you propose for the 'compulsary sleep' between being
>>an evening on the lash and driving should be? 8 hours? Longer?
>
> Its nothing to do with sleep, it is to do with elapsed time. If asleep,
> the
> alcohol will metabolise more slowly. If exercising more quickly (the
> authorities deny this but I tested it) I find about a pint an hour is
> right
> for me. so drink five pints and you probably should be OK next day if you
> stop drinking before midnight.

Alcohol is metabolised in the lungs, so raised heartrate and more breathing
would support your statement and makes sense to me. However 5 pints one
night probably wouldnt put you over the *current* limit the next morning and
reactions etc would be fine. Its the serious nights out that render one
still over the *current* limit the next morning. These people should be
stopped.

If there is proposal to reduce the limit to practically nothing, then I
don't believe that would improve safety. It would probably chasnge people's
attitude to taking alcohol and then driving, which is not a bad thing!


From: bod on 6 Aug 2010 11:09
Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 05:07:04 -0700 (PDT), NKTB wrote:
>
>> Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
>> drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
>> the law.
>
> but lowering the limit will tend not to catch drunks, rather somebody who
> drank quite a lot the night before who isn't a danger to anybody.
>
>
Exactly. It's low enough already.

Bod
From: bod on 6 Aug 2010 11:46
Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:40:55 +0100, GT wrote:
>
>> I might have misinterpretted your point, but I don't see why time of day
>> should have anything to do with it?
>
> It was just an example of where small inadvertent amounts of alcohol will
> be in peoples systems
>
>

If the limit was set at zero, technically this would prevent any
drinking unless the driver could be sure he wasn't going to need
to drive for a few days, for fear of a trace of 1 milligram in his/
her blood. A preposterous idea!

Bod
From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 11:48
"Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:40:55 +0100, GT wrote:
>
>> I might have misinterpretted your point, but I don't see why time of day
>> should have anything to do with it?
>
> It was just an example of where small inadvertent amounts of alcohol will
> be in peoples systems

I didn't realise you were talking about a proposed reduction of the limit -
I missed that part. Having a small inadvertent amounts of alcohol in the
system at present is not a problem either in the real world, or legally. I
also see no reason for this to change.


From: bod on 6 Aug 2010 11:59
Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:46:16 +0100, bod wrote:
>
>> If the limit was set at zero, technically this would prevent any
>> drinking unless the driver could be sure he wasn't going to need
>> to drive for a few days, for fear of a trace of 1 milligram in his/
>> her blood. A preposterous idea!
>
> or the drinking of orange juice. There is always a little alcohol in our
> systems.
>
>

Blimey!is that a fact?....orange juice?

Bod
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