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From: FrengaX on 6 Aug 2010 12:06
On Aug 6, 2:34 pm, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
> "Ian Dalziel" <iandalzi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4e8e8e06-43f8-4453-84de-a713024547b1(a)l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6 Aug, 11:19, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
> >> "bod" <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >>news:8c254gF5s2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
> >> > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> >> > has
> >> > fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>
> >> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>
> >> > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> >> > call to lower the DD limit?
> >> > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>
> >> 2 quotes from the start of that report:
> >> "Deaths fell by 5%, from 400 in 2008 to 380 in 2009"... 4 lines later....
> >> "The number of accidents involving a death remained at 350".
>
> >> Something doesn't add up!
>
> > Try "involving one or more deaths"?
>
> Ahh gotcha - there were 350 accidents involving a death, but 380 people
> killed in those 350 accidents. So only 1 person died in the vast majority of
> the accidents where someone involved was over the limit. There is nothing to
> say that the drunk driver was to blame, but they were involved

There's also nothing to say that it was the drunk driver who was
killed. Sometimes Darwinism doesn't work.
From: FrengaX on 6 Aug 2010 12:10
On Aug 6, 11:06 am, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> has fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>
> Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> call to lower the DD limit?
> Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?

There also doesn't seem to be any data to show what the KSI rate is in
accidents where the driver is between 50 and 80mg (i.e. the range
covered by the proposed tightening of the limit). The only supporting
evidence seems to be a fairly old study from Australia where there are
enough differing factors to make it worthless in our case.
From: NM on 6 Aug 2010 12:28
On 6 Aug, 13:22, "Nkosi (ama-ecosse)" <minank...(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> On 6 Aug, 13:07, NKTB <north_korean_tourist_bo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6 Aug, 11:06, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> > > has fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>
> > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>
> > > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> > > call to lower the DD limit?
> > > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>
> > > Bod
>
> > As someone who has a 3-year restricted license because I developed
> > diabetes I am fully in favour of them reducing the DD limit, possibly
> > to zero.  I get a restricted licence, quite properly IMO, in order
> > that DVLA can be confident that I can continue to drive without being
> > affected by hypoglycemia.
>
> > Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
> > drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
> > the law.  Anyone who causes a death through drink-driving should be
> > given a life sentence.
>
> > There is
>
> I agree with the above staement, but there is the scenario, driver A
> leaves the pub slightly over the limit drives down the road through
> and intersection controlled by traffic lights. they go through on a
> green light below the speed limit and driving cautiously, speedy boy
> racer (19 years old) comes flying through the intersection in citroen
> saxo or equivalent that is worth less than an eigth of his insurance
> premium connect with driver one's vehicle and causes the death of his
> 18 year old girlfriand or mate in the passenger seat. Who gets the
> life sentance.
>
> Nkosi

Nobody, there is insufficient vacant jail space capacity.
From: Brimstone on 6 Aug 2010 13:45

"GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message
news:4c5c0f60$0$1621$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel7(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4e8e8e06-43f8-4453-84de-a713024547b1(a)l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> On 6 Aug, 11:19, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>>> "bod" <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:8c254gF5s2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
>>> > has
>>> > fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
>>>
>>> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
>>>
>>> > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there
>>> > a
>>> > call to lower the DD limit?
>>> > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
>>>
>>> 2 quotes from the start of that report:
>>> "Deaths fell by 5%, from 400 in 2008 to 380 in 2009"... 4 lines later...
>>> "The number of accidents involving a death remained at 350".
>>>
>>> Something doesn't add up!
>>
>> Try "involving one or more deaths"?
>
> Ahh gotcha - there were 350 accidents involving a death, but 380 people
> killed in those 350 accidents. So only 1 person died in the vast majority
> of the accidents where someone involved was over the limit. There is
> nothing to say that the drunk driver was to blame, but they were involved.
There's also nothing to say that the drivers involved were drunk. Merely
that they were over the limit.


From: Halmyre on 7 Aug 2010 05:10
In article <c962c8f8-a6cd-4fc2-9673-47f25e7b327a(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
minankosi(a)googlemail.com says...
> On 6 Aug, 13:07, NKTB <north_korean_tourist_bo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On 6 Aug, 11:06, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > The number of people killed in road accidents caused by drink-driving
> > > has fallen to an all-time low, provisional government figures show.
> >
> > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10883114
> >
> > > Bearing in mind these impressively low figures, why on earth is there a
> > > call to lower the DD limit?
> > > Are drivers expected to behave like puritans?
> >
> > > Bod
> >
> > As someone who has a 3-year restricted license because I developed
> > diabetes I am fully in favour of them reducing the DD limit, possibly
> > to zero.  I get a restricted licence, quite properly IMO, in order
> > that DVLA can be confident that I can continue to drive without being
> > affected by hypoglycemia.
> >
> > Anyone who deliberately reduces their driving ability by drink or
> > drugs deserves no sympathy and should be subject to the full force of
> > the law.  Anyone who causes a death through drink-driving should be
> > given a life sentence.
> >
> > There is
>
> I agree with the above staement, but there is the scenario, driver A
> leaves the pub slightly over the limit drives down the road through
> and intersection controlled by traffic lights. they go through on a
> green light below the speed limit and driving cautiously, speedy boy
> racer (19 years old) comes flying through the intersection in citroen
> saxo or equivalent that is worth less than an eigth of his insurance
> premium connect with driver one's vehicle and causes the death of his
> 18 year old girlfriand or mate in the passenger seat. Who gets the
> life sentance.
>

In which case you might as well take out the 19 year old driver as well. You'll still go to jail,
but you'll have done the world a favour.

--
Halmyre

This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your head clean off.
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