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From: ransley on 4 Mar 2010 14:53
On Mar 4, 7:32 am, News <N...(a)Groups.Name> wrote:
> ransley wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 6:46 am, "Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> This is mass hysteria.
>
> >> Bet there is nothing wrong with the vehicles.
>
> >> These folks want publicity or money or they are mistaking the cruise control
> >> acceleration for sudden acceleration.
>
> >> Some folks in the general public are just weird and the media eat it up.
> >> What suckers.
>
> >> Vito
>
> >> "john" <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:6f781f64-43d5-4e52-851e-eabf450764eb(a)f17g2000prh.googlegroups.com....
> >> Yeah, it's probably in the electronics. Mats and sticking pedals
> >> account for only 30% of the runaways. As I understand from the
> >> hearings, CTS pedals accounted for 0 fatality (all fatalities on Denso
> >> pedals).
>
> >> "About ten Toyota owners have complained to U.S. auto safety
> >> regulators that their vehicles suffered some kind of sudden
> >> acceleration after being repaired under Toyota s two recalls for the
> >> problem.
>
> >> The complaints highlighted by safety advocate Sean Kane drew a quick
> >> response today from the National Highway Traffic Safety
> >> Administration, which said it would investigate."
>
> >>http://www.freep.com/article/20100303/BUSINESS01/100303045/1331/busin....
>
> >   Hysteria? People needing money?  The Founder of Apple Computer Steve
> > Wozniak has a new prius he said he can self replicate himself, the
> > cars cruise control Self Acceleration, often with high percentage of
> > attempts.
>
> >   He was on tv, he said he was ignored by toyota and the NHTSA,
> > Wozniak says its Software, I believe the genius.
>
> >   Wozniak needs no money, he said his old prius fleet is fine, he
> > could afford to own 1000+ Rolls Royces each with its own full time
> > chauffeur with house. He needs no publicity, wants nothing, and has
> > the brains you could only wish you were blessed with just 10% of. Do
> > yourself a favor, read a bit more. The stories I hear are Not of
> > people having an accident claim or any claim, just scary incidents of
> > a defect that is not fixed.
>
> >  Proof of Toyota cheapyness, underhandedness is they fixed new
> > production Priuses and ignored whats on the road, that is Beancounter
> > scum mentality to save a buk. And you really believe Toyoda when he
> > said he didnt know about the memos of Toyota saving millions by
> > beating the NHTSA. Your either a dumb sucker or toyota rep, im a
> > toyota owner.
>
> Not limited to Toyota or autos, this is is characteristic of greedy,
> finance wonk-led management, generally.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Agree but The Chinese seem to do it best
From: ransley on 4 Mar 2010 14:54
On Mar 4, 8:52 am, Clay <c.st...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Most likely the extraordinary hype about Toyota's problems are caused
> by the OBAMA bunch.  Chrysler and GM are both owned by the
> government.
> Can you say CONSPIRACY? More of a witch hunt aimed at smearing the
> TOYOTA brand to promote MoPAR and GM.
> Granted Toyota may have some glitches but what car company is perfect.

Hey Pinhead, if anything its the opposite, the press is whats brought
this to light not the NHTSA, dont forget Toyota hired retired NHTSA
employees that squashed investigations and Toyotas own documents Brag
how they saved hundreds of millions , its the document Mr Toyoda
"doesnt know about" "since its in English", and he went to Babson in
the US, dont post some stupid lies, learn the truth about everything.
From: cuhulin on 4 Mar 2010 15:14
Governor Daniels says gov unfair to Toyota
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=284929

And I say Governor Daniels is Right.
cuhulin

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 4 Mar 2010 18:09
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:52:45 -0800, Clay wrote:

> Most likely the extraordinary hype about Toyota's problems are caused by
> the OBAMA bunch. Chrysler and GM are both owned by the government.
> Can you say CONSPIRACY? More of a witch hunt aimed at smearing the TOYOTA
> brand to promote MoPAR and GM. Granted Toyota may have some glitches but
> what car company is perfect.

LOL! Ya THINK?!?!

Problem is, people running from Toyota are probably far more likely to go
to Ford than a company who's future looks pretty bleak as of the moment...

Have you heard the ads sponsored by GM saying the government should not
allow cheap aftermarket parts? (It may be a Massachusetts only thing...)

GM doesn't want you to be able to buy aftermarket parts made by third
parties overseas, but when a friend of mine needed a bumper for a repair
job on a GMC pickup it took three weeks to get here on a slow boat from
China...

That was an OEM GM bumper, BTW...



From: Daniel who wants to know on 4 Mar 2010 18:35
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hmooag$qfl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>I once had a Chevy that would go full-throttle unexpectedly, and it was the
>car -- specifically it was the Cruise Control.
>
> Driving along with the Cruise engaged, I would hit the brake for any
> number of reasons and the car would slow, but when the brake was released
> the car would go to full-throttle to Resume the set speed. The clue of
> what the problem was came when a driver pulled up in the lane next to me
> and said my brake lights did not come on. Putting two and two together --
> I slowed then let off the brake and went to full throttle -- I told the
> service department that the brake light switch on the brake pedal was not
> working properly.
>
> I don't know that Toyota has the same problem, or not, but my instinct is
> that whatever is happening is in a similar vein as what happened in my
> Chevy. I do not buy the idea that the pedal is sticking either by floor
> mats or by mechanical problems with the pedal itself. I'm leaning to a
> problem with the electronics.
>
> That's where the answer lays.
>
>
>
>
>
Back in the ye olde days when GM still used vacuum based cruise control
there was a largish vacuum hose running from the cruise servo to a normally
open valve that was held shut by the brake pedal being up. Pressing the
pedal physically opened this valve which removed the vacuum from the servo
diaphragm. I suspect that the cruise controller saw your speed dropping and
commanded WOT but that valve prevented anything from happening. Then when
the pedal was released vacuum was suddenly applied which opened the
throttle.


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