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From: Pete Zahut on 7 Sep 2009 09:54
Mrcheerful wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <h82njk$pkj$1(a)aioe.org>,
>> munki <none(a)none.com> wrote:
>>> Out of interest my lambda was in question in another thread and I
>>> started looking at lambdas.
>>
>>> I found one for my vehicle thats has four wires, and says if my
>>> original wires are such such colour etc then this one will work you
>>> just have to cut the old wires and connector and crimp to new one or
>>> soldier would be my preference.
>>
>>> My question is a new one from gsf or ecp is about �104 +vat ... so
>>> could one like this with no plug be good enough for the job ? at �18
>>> ... shirely if it sounds to good to be true ....
>>
>>> But if it worked it would be one hell of a saving! heres the aution
>>> I'm taslking about 250488599667
>>
>> It sort of depends. You can in some cases get an identical Bosch one
>> sans plug for a fraction of the maker's price. Check the numbers on
>> the sensor.
>>
>> 104 quid is taking the p**s. I bought a brand new wideband one from
>> Bosch complete with plug for about 70 - and that's a far more complex
>> device than an ordinary one.
>>
>> It's a bit like inkjet cartridges - car makers cut the profit to the
>> bone to sell new cars - and ramp up the prices of consumables to make
>> money.
>
> VW want over 140 quid for some of their ones

And my Nissan Maxima QX 3.0 V6 has four of the buggers at about �120 each!


From: Duncan Wood on 7 Sep 2009 10:02
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:32:27 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <7c6pm.77810$Lm6.71245(a)newsfe21.ams2>,
> DAVE <merlin_in_uk(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> I would seriously advise you to fit a "proper fit" Lambda sensor, ie one
>> with the correct number of wires and with a plug on the end. My
>> experience with the 'universal' type (with bare wires) has proved them
>> to be real trouble. Lambda sensors rely on precise resisitance and
>> therefore the length of the cables are absolutely critical to sensor
>> operation.
>
> If the wire length is *that* critical, you're going to be in problems
> with
> any connector.
>

That's politer than I'd have phrased it. But if you're not into crimps &
heatshrink then fleabay will sell you a real Bosch one with the plug (as
will any decent Bosch stockist) for £50.
From: munki on 7 Sep 2009 14:37

"Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AB7pm.76601$OO7.52673(a)text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <h82njk$pkj$1(a)aioe.org>,
>> munki <none(a)none.com> wrote:
>>> Out of interest my lambda was in question in another thread and I
>>> started looking at lambdas.
>>
>>> I found one for my vehicle thats has four wires, and says if my
>>> original wires are such such colour etc then this one will work you
>>> just have to cut the old wires and connector and crimp to new one or
>>> soldier would be my preference.
>>
>>> My question is a new one from gsf or ecp is about �104 +vat ... so
>>> could one like this with no plug be good enough for the job ? at �18
>>> ... shirely if it sounds to good to be true ....
>>
>>> But if it worked it would be one hell of a saving! heres the aution
>>> I'm taslking about 250488599667
>>
>> It sort of depends. You can in some cases get an identical Bosch one
>> sans plug for a fraction of the maker's price. Check the numbers on
>> the sensor.
>>
>> 104 quid is taking the p**s. I bought a brand new wideband one from
>> Bosch complete with plug for about 70 - and that's a far more complex
>> device than an ordinary one.
>>
>> It's a bit like inkjet cartridges - car makers cut the profit to the
>> bone to sell new cars - and ramp up the prices of consumables to make
>> money.
>
> VW want over 140 quid for some of their ones
>

SO I read on the 4 motion models!!


From: munki on 7 Sep 2009 14:42

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50970c6193dave(a)davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <7c6pm.77810$Lm6.71245(a)newsfe21.ams2>,
> DAVE <merlin_in_uk(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> I would seriously advise you to fit a "proper fit" Lambda sensor, ie one
>> with the correct number of wires and with a plug on the end. My
>> experience with the 'universal' type (with bare wires) has proved them
>> to be real trouble. Lambda sensors rely on precise resisitance and
>> therefore the length of the cables are absolutely critical to sensor
>> operation.
>
> If the wire length is *that* critical, you're going to be in problems with
> any connector.
>
>

I trust your knowledge and expertrise alot being a regular who I read many
of your posts.

Do you reckon it would be ok that particular one as a direct replacement? ..
or worth sourcing a bosch one for a bit more. Like a ool last year I bought
a 104 quid one from GSF thinking it was way cheaper than the �120 one the
dealer had for sale, there is so much more out there if you can find it.

That looks like a simple replacement, of cutting the connecter block off
with some wiring attached and soldering on the new 4 wires to the remaining
wires with a bit of heatshrink.

But as it turns out as you know it might of just been a lose spark plug.
Which I'm monitoring to see if the spark plug colours change and the warning
message comes back.


From: Duncan Wood on 7 Sep 2009 16:10
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:42:32 +0100, munki <none(a)none.com> wrote:

>
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:50970c6193dave(a)davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <7c6pm.77810$Lm6.71245(a)newsfe21.ams2>,
>> DAVE <merlin_in_uk(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I would seriously advise you to fit a "proper fit" Lambda sensor, ie
>>> one
>>> with the correct number of wires and with a plug on the end. My
>>> experience with the 'universal' type (with bare wires) has proved them
>>> to be real trouble. Lambda sensors rely on precise resisitance and
>>> therefore the length of the cables are absolutely critical to sensor
>>> operation.
>>
>> If the wire length is *that* critical, you're going to be in problems
>> with
>> any connector.
>>
>>
>
> I trust your knowledge and expertrise alot being a regular who I read
> many
> of your posts.
>
> Do you reckon it would be ok that particular one as a direct
> replacement? ..
> or worth sourcing a bosch one for a bit more. Like a ool last year I
> bought
> a 104 quid one from GSF thinking it was way cheaper than the �120 one the
> dealer had for sale, there is so much more out there if you can find it.
>
> That looks like a simple replacement, of cutting the connecter block off
> with some wiring attached and soldering on the new 4 wires to the
> remaining
> wires with a bit of heatshrink.
>
> But as it turns out as you know it might of just been a lose spark plug.
> Which I'm monitoring to see if the spark plug colours change and the
> warning
> message comes back.
>
>

Stick a meter on it & watch for the volts changing, or ask around on here
or the VW groups for someone with Vag-Com to look at it & you'll be able
to tell if it's knackered.

Cats-direct is fairly cheap,

&
http://www.lambdasensor.com/main/mtypes.htm

Has a list of all the common ones.

What's your current motor?
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