From: Noddy on

"Daryl Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> What do you get in a Santa Fe that you don't get in a Kluger Grande?

Dual zone climate control with vents for the thrid row of seats, rear view
camera, 6 speed auto and 2.2 litre turbo diesel just off the top of my head.
There's also some minor stuff like Ipod conectivity and bluetooth, as well
as a chilled console bin.

> I also liked the Santa Fe but I liked the Forester more and its quite a
> bit cheaper.

I like the Forester as well but it's quite a it smaller and not in the same
class.

The Santa Fe is a 7 seater and in the Tribeca's class if you're comparing it
to Subaru's, and the Tribeca has two major problems as far as I can tell.
One being that it's slightly more expensive than the Kluger, and the other
being that it's one of the ugliest vehicles currently on the market.

The dash layout does my head in.

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Noddy.


From: hippo on
Noddy wrote:
>
>
> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4bb01a1d$0$8826$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>
> > What do you get in a Santa Fe that you don't get in a Kluger Grande?
>
> Dual zone climate control with vents for the thrid row of seats, rear view
> camera, 6 speed auto and 2.2 litre turbo diesel just off the top of my head.
> There's also some minor stuff like Ipod conectivity and bluetooth, as well
> as a chilled console bin.
>
> > I also liked the Santa Fe but I liked the Forester more and its quite a
> > bit cheaper.
>
> I like the Forester as well but it's quite a it smaller and not in the same
> class.
>
> The Santa Fe is a 7 seater and in the Tribeca's class if you're comparing it
> to Subaru's, and the Tribeca has two major problems as far as I can tell.
> One being that it's slightly more expensive than the Kluger, and the other
> being that it's one of the ugliest vehicles currently on the market.
>
> The dash layout does my head in.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
>
>

Looked at the Sorento at all yet?

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From: Clocky on
Noddy wrote:
> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4bafd3a4$0$8847$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>
>> A mate visiting from Qld for the wedding a couple of weeks ago hired
>> a new Corolla, being a rental it was the base model but the only
>> equipment it lacked was cruise control, it was an excellent car and
>> if you check the new price its not much more expensive than
>> equivalent Jap cars and you get the price difference back when it
>> was time to trade it. RRP Prices for base model manual hatchbacks from
>> manufacturers web
>> sites. Corolla $24,797
>> Mazda 3 $24,419
>> Honda Civic $23,999
>> Nissan Tiida $20,612
>> Impreza $23,990
>> Hyundai Elantra and I30 are about $4000-4500 cheaper, I30 is about
>> $1000 more than the Elantra.
>> Honda Jazz is much smaller so in a different size class.
>> The Corolla is the most expensive but there is sfa in it and
>> equipment levels on current models are very comparable.
>> If I was buying a car in that class I'd buy the Impreza, it would
>> probably be the least fuel efficient of the lot but I like the AWD
>> and the quality feel of the things especially the superior paint
>> quality.
>
> There's the difference right there.
>
> If you get in something like a Civic, an Impreza or a Mazda 3, they
> *feel* like nice, well built cars. Get in the Corolla and it feels a
> *lot* cheaper and nastier despite being more expensive than anything
> else in it's class. There's nothing actually *wrong* with the things
> other than the fact that you get a nicer car from almost anyone else.
>
> The Corolla these days is pretty agricultural.

I drove a new base Impreza not long ago and it felt cheap and tinny though I
don't doubt that it's a good car..

I think the Euro cars have a more solid feel to them overall, but they have
their own drawbacks.


From: Noddy on

"hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
message news:hopcuq$b5h$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...

> Looked at the Sorento at all yet?

Not as yet.

If I get some time over Easter I'll check one out.

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Regards,
Noddy.


From: D Walford on
On 30/03/2010 11:13 AM, Clocky wrote:

>> I think its funny that your imagination is so wild:-)
>> I know a couple of people that got rid of their Astra's because they
>> were very expensive to maintain, constantly replacing very expensive
>> pads and rotors
>
> Which is a fallacy based on bias. I've explained this myth plenty of times
> but you won't listen.

Nothing to do with bias unless you are talking about yours.
Explain all you like, the facts won't go away.
>
>> yet the 2001 Corolla we owned still had the OE pads
>> and rotors when it was traded at 85,000klms
>
> I did my Astra pads at 85,000 and that is with hard driving. The rotors were
> still fine and didn't need doing.

One Astra's brakes didn't need replacing at low klms doesn't change the
fact that most do need frequent and expensive brake repairs.

> The Astra also had vastly better brakes then the Corolla but you will
> dismiss that too, I'm sure of that.

Vastly better, you really are a comedian:-)
>
> and don't forget the
>> 60,000klm t belt replacements which is almost twice as frequent as
>> the Toyota.
>
> And yet...
>
>> Only someone off with the fairies could suggest that a Astra is
>> cheaper to "own and operate" than Corolla.
>>
>
> You can take that arguement up with the various motoring bodies.
> When everything was factored in, ie initial purchase price, servicing costs,
> fuel economy, depreceation, registration and insurance etc, the Astra came
> out slightly cheaper over the same period of ownership.
>
That would be based on doing nothing but scheduled servicing but ask
almost anyone who has owned as Astra to get the real ownership costs.

> Funny but true, and owning a Toyota can get extremely expensive when
> something does break even when compared to the Euro stuff.


Any car can be expensive to do major repairs on, but then I wouldn't
know about major repairs to any Toyota I've owned because like most
people I've never had to do any.



Daryl
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