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From: Noddy on 30 Mar 2010 06:23 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4bb1c65a$0$27809$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Any car can be expensive to do major repairs on, but then I wouldn't know > about major repairs to any Toyota I've owned because like most people I've > never had to do any. "Most people" wouldn't be including 6 cylinder Cressida owners I expect :) The bloke a couple of doors up from me has an '04 model 100 series V8 Kakadu Cruiser and loves it. I do too, as I think it's a great vehicle that drives pretty well for a three tonne truck. It's in immaculate condition with less than 50k km's on the dial, and he's pretty fussy about keeping it that way. On the back panel just above the bumper it has a little plastic tab that you have to pry out with a coin or some such to get access to the bolt that holds the spare wheel in it's cradle under the rear floor. The tab itself is about and inch and a half square, and it's not hinged or fixed to the car in any way once you've popped it open which is a bit silly in my opinion. Anyway, he was rotating his tyres a couple of weeks ago, and he misplaced the plastic tab. Being the fussy owner that he is, he went along to his local Toyota dealer to get a replacement (he was actually over there to pick up some other stuff but enquired about it while he was there) and according to him this inch and a half square wafer thin little 3 cents worth of plastic trim panel costs 40 bucks to replace. Needless to say, he got whatever else he needed and walked out minus the trim panel, and seems happy to drive the Cruiser around with a hole in the rear :) -- Regards, Noddy.
From: D Walford on 30 Mar 2010 06:44 On 30/03/2010 9:23 PM, Noddy wrote: > Being the fussy owner that he is, he went along to his local Toyota dealer > to get a replacement (he was actually over there to pick up some other stuff > but enquired about it while he was there) and according to him this inch and > a half square wafer thin little 3 cents worth of plastic trim panel costs 40 > bucks to replace. > > Needless to say, he got whatever else he needed and walked out minus the > trim panel, and seems happy to drive the Cruiser around with a hole in the > rear :) Spare parts prices can rarely be justified but $40.00 for a tiny bit of plastic is nothing short of highway robbery. I'm far from suggesting that Toyota parts are cheap because I know they aren't but Clocky is suggesting that an Astra and other Euro cars are cheaper to own and run than a Corolla which IMO is ludicrous especially with their reputation for eating brakes and T belts. Daryl
From: Clocky on 30 Mar 2010 21:36 D Walford wrote: > On 30/03/2010 9:23 PM, Noddy wrote: > >> Being the fussy owner that he is, he went along to his local Toyota >> dealer to get a replacement (he was actually over there to pick up >> some other stuff but enquired about it while he was there) and >> according to him this inch and a half square wafer thin little 3 >> cents worth of plastic trim panel costs 40 bucks to replace. >> >> Needless to say, he got whatever else he needed and walked out minus >> the trim panel, and seems happy to drive the Cruiser around with a >> hole in the rear :) > > Spare parts prices can rarely be justified but $40.00 for a tiny bit > of plastic is nothing short of highway robbery. > I'm far from suggesting that Toyota parts are cheap because I know > they aren't but Clocky is suggesting that an Astra and other Euro > cars are cheaper to own and run than a Corolla which IMO is ludicrous > especially with their reputation for eating brakes and T belts. > So you're happy to pay $80 for a Toyota air filter over a $10 Astra one but you have a problem with putting a set of $80 rotors on an Astra at 80,000km as a service item? You see where this is headed? Astra's were worked out to be cheaper when *everything* is factored in, which is the bit you're having trouble with. I priced up a fuel pump for Camry not long ago, it was $1100 and a new TCM for a RAV4 was $1600. An electric window master switch was over a $1000 FFS, rediculous. Toyota spare parts, even service items, are hideously expensive.
From: Clocky on 30 Mar 2010 22:15 D Walford wrote: > On 30/03/2010 11:13 AM, Clocky wrote: > >>> I think its funny that your imagination is so wild:-) >>> I know a couple of people that got rid of their Astra's because they >>> were very expensive to maintain, constantly replacing very expensive >>> pads and rotors >> >> Which is a fallacy based on bias. I've explained this myth plenty of >> times but you won't listen. > > Nothing to do with bias unless you are talking about yours. > Explain all you like, the facts won't go away. >> You don't know the facts, you only believe what you want to hear. >>> yet the 2001 Corolla we owned still had the OE pads >>> and rotors when it was traded at 85,000klms >> >> I did my Astra pads at 85,000 and that is with hard driving. The >> rotors were still fine and didn't need doing. > > One Astra's brakes didn't need replacing at low klms doesn't change > the fact that most do need frequent and expensive brake repairs. > Most *don't* need frequent brake repairs. >> The Astra also had vastly better brakes then the Corolla but you will >> dismiss that too, I'm sure of that. > > Vastly better, you really are a comedian:-) A realist actually. >> >> and don't forget the >>> 60,000klm t belt replacements which is almost twice as frequent as >>> the Toyota. >> >> And yet... >> >>> Only someone off with the fairies could suggest that a Astra is >>> cheaper to "own and operate" than Corolla. >>> >> >> You can take that arguement up with the various motoring bodies. >> When everything was factored in, ie initial purchase price, >> servicing costs, fuel economy, depreceation, registration and >> insurance etc, the Astra came out slightly cheaper over the same >> period of ownership. > That would be based on doing nothing but scheduled servicing but ask > almost anyone who has owned as Astra to get the real ownership costs. > Oh, so now it's not about service items, make up your mind or are you going to keep shifting goalposts? Brakes including rotors and timing belts are service items FYI. >> Funny but true, and owning a Toyota can get extremely expensive when >> something does break even when compared to the Euro stuff. > > > Any car can be expensive to do major repairs on, but then I wouldn't > know about major repairs to any Toyota I've owned because like most > people I've never had to do any. > Toyotas are not immune to expensive failures and the Corolla is no exception.
From: D Walford on 31 Mar 2010 05:59
On 31/03/2010 1:15 PM, Clocky wrote: > Oh, so now it's not about service items, make up your mind or are you going > to keep shifting goalposts? Brakes including rotors and timing belts are > service items FYI. Bullshit, show me on any vehicle service schedule where its says to replace pads and rotors at a set number of klms like you would with an oil filter etc, it will say to inspect the pads and rotors but no one replaces those items at a set number of klms if they don't need to be replaced, in the case of Astras they need to be replaced a lot more frequently than on most cars especially non Euro cars. You are the only person who believes that that is a myth. Daryl |