From: Noddy on 27 Mar 2010 20:16
"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> If I had to buy one of the 2 and the choice was based on appearance IMO
> the Ford wins easily especially if we are talking about the top of the
> range models, the Falcons style is much more conservative and that's what
> I like about it.
To each their own. I think the Falcon looks about as exciting as a base
model Camry. Too bad it doesn't have anywhere near the level of build
quality or reliability :)
> I doubt styling is what sells more Commodores than Falcons, GMH's
> marketing department is where their strength is, they leave Ford's
> marketing for dead.
Marketing alone can't do it all.
Holden certainly has a much more progressive and "exciting" image that Ford
currently does, but at the end of the day all that hype isn't going to sell
cars if the people don't like the look of what you're offering. The
Commodore, by and large, is an attractive car to most people, and more than
anything else I expect that alone helps sales along quite nicely. It's
surely not the performance of the 6 cylinder version as that's pretty
> Not many of that type of car appeals to me much but I do like the styling
> of current model MB's.
I've never been much of a Benz car fan. I think their trucks are fantastic
and have made a lot of people a *lot* of money, but their cars are
incredibly over-rated in my opinion. If I was in the market for a new sedan
tomorrow I'd have an Accord Euro or a 5 series BMW. Possibly a Liberty GT if
I could get away with something small.
From: D Walford on 27 Mar 2010 22:27
On 28/03/2010 11:16 AM, Noddy wrote:
> I've never been much of a Benz car fan. I think their trucks are fantastic
> and have made a lot of people a *lot* of money, but their cars are
> incredibly over-rated in my opinion. If I was in the market for a new sedan
> tomorrow I'd have an Accord Euro or a 5 series BMW. Possibly a Liberty GT if
> I could get away with something small.
If I were just buying a car based on styling then MB is up there but the
Liberty GT is great package although with 168kw its not all that
powerful by today's standards.
My wife loved the white Liberty GT wagon that was on display when we
were buying the Forester and even the $57,000 price didn't put her off
but I wanted something a bit more practical with some off road ability
so the GT didn't get a second look.
Liberties have grown in size quite noticeably with the new model, our
Forester has roughly the same interior dimensions as the previous
Outback and it has much more rear seat leg room than you would expect in
a car that size.
From: John_H on 27 Mar 2010 23:10
D Walford wrote:
>If I were just buying a car based on styling then MB is up there but the
>Liberty GT is great package although with 168kw its not all that
>powerful by today's standards.
The Liberty GT is 195kW. There was also talk of of an STI version
when the current model was released, which would probably get the
From: D Walford on 27 Mar 2010 23:42
On 28/03/2010 2:10 PM, John_H wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>> If I were just buying a car based on styling then MB is up there but the
>> Liberty GT is great package although with 168kw its not all that
>> powerful by today's standards.
> The Liberty GT is 195kW. There was also talk of of an STI version
> when the current model was released, which would probably get the
> 221kW engine.
Your correct, they must have upgraded the 2.5lt turbo engine with the
new model, for some reason I assumed it had the same power as the older
If I had known it had that much grunt I might have let her buy it:-)
From: Premier on 28 Mar 2010 00:51
> Still, Ford has always done things differently. Sometimes good, and
> sometimes very bad.
One Thing Ford has in its favour (in terms of overall survivability of a
world company) is a astrong European range. Mondeo, Festiva and Focus are
all good cars in their segment, as are Euro only cars such as the S-Max
(Ford doesnt want it here - as they fear more people movers will take away
from 4wd (Territory) sales).
GM isnt anywhere near as strong in Europe with Opel, Vauxhall. Top Gear UK
viewers voted Ford as the car makers who has made the best cars, so there
must be a groundswell of some positive support in Europe.