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From: B186 on 9 Jun 2010 05:02
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:17:32 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:

> which is why toyota prius is a good car for use in congested areas: no
> exhaust emission while stationary and up to nearly 30mph (for short
> distance)

Indeed, pity the people who use them exclusively elsewhere do not
understand they are wasting their time.
--
B186
From: Mr. Benn on 9 Jun 2010 05:13
No.

I'm not stupid enough to cycle in places which are either dangerous for
cyclists or heavily polluted.

From: Mike P on 9 Jun 2010 05:44
On Jun 9, 10:13 am, "Mr. Benn" <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
> No.
>
> I'm not stupid enough to cycle in places which are either dangerous for
> cyclists or heavily polluted.

Well, quite...

I've cycled more miles than I've used the car the last two weeks. I've
done about 260 miles on the bike, around 200 in the car.

I don't cycle to work though, that would be insane.

Mike P
From: GT on 9 Jun 2010 08:04
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
news:5c81205a-b794-4181-81c3-dc37fa488ea8(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution
> levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel
> vehicles.
>
> http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=MY1&bulletin=hourly&la_id=&statyear=2010&postcode=
>
> And, quote.
>
> "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants
>
> In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single
> greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road
> add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical
> citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of
> automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by
> cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is
> getting poisoned.
>
> The Combustion Process Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of
> hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons
> are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are
> also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases.
> Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..."
>
> "... Nitrogen Oxides Under high pressure and temperature conditions
> in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides.
> Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier
> nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent
> than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2
> percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with
> catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..."
>
> http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm
>
> So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a
> catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns.
> http://www.zing.icom43.net
> "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
>


From: GT on 9 Jun 2010 08:05
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
news:5c81205a-b794-4181-81c3-dc37fa488ea8(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution
> levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel
> vehicles.

Most of which comes from public transport and lorries. Not cars, so you are
cross-posting your spam in the wrong place again Doug.


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