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From: Nkosi (ama-ecosse) on 9 Jun 2010 08:35
On 9 June, 07:27, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution
> levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel
> vehicles.
>
> http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=....
>
> And, quote.
>
> "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants
>
> In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single
> greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road
> add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical
> citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of
> automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by
> cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is
> getting poisoned.
>
> The Combustion Process  Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of
> hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons
> are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are
> also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases.
> Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..."
>
> "... Nitrogen Oxides  Under high pressure and temperature conditions
> in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides.
> Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier
> nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent
> than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2
> percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with
> catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..."
>
> http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm
>
> So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a
> catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net
> "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".

Get off the road then fuckwit
From: Doug on 9 Jun 2010 13:29
On 9 June, 10:13, "Mr. Benn" <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
> No.
>
> I'm not stupid enough to cycle in places which are either dangerous for
> cyclists or heavily polluted.
>
Very sensible but a pity that you should suffer such restrictions
because of the harm others are allowed to cause you.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
From: BrianW on 9 Jun 2010 14:33
On Jun 9, 7:27 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution
> levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel
> vehicles.
>
> http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=....
>
> And, quote.
>
> "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants
>
> In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single
> greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road
> add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical
> citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of
> automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by
> cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is
> getting poisoned.
>
> The Combustion Process  Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of
> hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons
> are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are
> also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases.
> Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..."
>
> "... Nitrogen Oxides  Under high pressure and temperature conditions
> in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides.
> Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier
> nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent
> than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2
> percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with
> catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..."
>
> http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm
>
> So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a
> catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash.

What about ozone, Doug? Do cars still emit "bad" ozone?
From: Doug on 10 Jun 2010 02:22
On 9 June, 18:37, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution
> > levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel
> > vehicles.
>
> >http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=...
>
> > And, quote.
>
> > "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants
>
> > In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single
> > greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road
> > add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical
> > citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of
> > automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by
> > cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is
> > getting poisoned.
>
> > The Combustion Process  Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of
> > hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons
> > are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are
> > also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases.
> > Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..."
>
> > "... Nitrogen Oxides  Under high pressure and temperature conditions
> > in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides.
> > Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier
> > nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent
> > than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2
> > percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with
> > catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..."
>
> >http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm
>
> > So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a
> > catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash.
>
>
> It's so bad that a group of people gather on Friday night every month to
> hold up traffic, and cause more pollution, then they cycle in the
> pollution they cause.
>
I'd just like to point out that the cyclists only do it for a couple
of hours once a month while the polluters themselves drive in vast
congesting hordes every day for most of the day while putting cyclists
at risk from their foul tail-pipe emissions.

> > --
> > UK Radical Campaigns.
> >http://www.zing.icom43.net
> > "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".

From: Doug on 10 Jun 2010 02:34
On 9 June, 09:59, ash <ash.fil...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 June, 07:27, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution
> > levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel
> > vehicles.
>
> >http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=...
>
> > And, quote.
>
> > "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants
>
> > In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single
> > greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road
> > add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical
> > citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of
> > automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by
> > cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is
> > getting poisoned.
>
> > The Combustion Process  Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of
> > hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons
> > are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are
> > also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases.
> > Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..."
>
> > "... Nitrogen Oxides  Under high pressure and temperature conditions
> > in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides.
> > Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier
> > nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent
> > than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2
> > percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with
> > catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..."
>
> >http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm
>
> > So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a
> > catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash.
>
> > --
> > UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net
> > "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
>
> Dr James Le Fanu (Central London based doctor) :- I have some personal
> experience of Mr Yeo’s concerns as the area of London where I work –
> just a mile from the House of Commons – includes one of the capital’s
> busiest intersections. Every hour, thousands of cars pour over
> Vauxhall Bridge and hasten down The Embankment filling the air with
> their exhaust fumes. And yet I doubt I see a single patient with
> pollution-induced symptoms (let alone fatalities) from one year’s end
> to the next.
>
Anecdotal from a single individual. It has also been used as a lame
excuse on these NGs previously for continuing to pollute willy nilly.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthadvice/jameslefanu/7528470/Do...
>
> Flogging a dead horse springs to mind, and if all the cars became as
> clean as the Pious, Doug would still be bitching about the factthey
> are in his way on the roads (and not paying VED) whilst he trundles
> about on his illegal E-bike
>
The Prious still has emissions and shouldn't be allowed to be used by
VED freeloaders. Its only because most motorists have the urge to
travel as far as possible and as often as possible that cleaner all
electric vehicles, with their shorter range, are not more widely used.

However, even an electric car is still capable of crashing onto a
pavement and killing people while demolishing walls.

--
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http://www.zing.icom43.net
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