Fellow cyclists, are you suffering from air pollution caused by cars?
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From: Doug on 9 Jun 2010 02:27 In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel vehicles. http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=MY1&bulletin=hourly&la_id=&statyear=2010&postcode= And, quote. "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is getting poisoned. The Combustion Process Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases. Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..." "... Nitrogen Oxides Under high pressure and temperature conditions in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides. Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2 percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..." http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash. -- UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
From: Brimstone on 9 Jun 2010 03:13 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:5c81205a-b794-4181-81c3-dc37fa488ea8(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... Doug, here some news for you. You don't have any fellow cyclists. All the sensible, decent people disown you. > > So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a > catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash. > In what way is that a "usual excuse"? You're the only person to spout it. Any sensible person knows that it's a nonsense.
From: Mrcheerful on 9 Jun 2010 04:17 Doug wrote: > In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution > levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel > vehicles. > > http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=MY1&bulletin=hourly&la_id=&statyear=2010&postcode= > > And, quote. > > "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants > > In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single > greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road > add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical > citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of > automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by > cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is > getting poisoned. > > The Combustion Process Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of > hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons > are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are > also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases. > Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..." > > "... Nitrogen Oxides Under high pressure and temperature conditions > in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides. > Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier > nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent > than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2 > percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with > catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..." > > http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm > > So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a > catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash. which is why toyota prius is a good car for use in congested areas: no exhaust emission while stationary and up to nearly 30mph (for short distance)
From: Mrcheerful on 9 Jun 2010 04:50 bugbear wrote: > Doug wrote: >> >> So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a >> catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash. > > http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#straw > > BugBear what a useful list of Doug's argument methods, a fascinating read, thank you.
From: ash on 9 Jun 2010 04:59
On 9 June, 07:27, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > In London the only targets currently being exceeded for air pollution > levels is by NO2, not by the frequently scapegoated PM10s from diesel > vehicles. > > http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicstats.asp?region=0&site=.... > > And, quote. > > "Car Exhaust - Air Pollutants > > In cities across the globe, the personal automobile is the single > greatest polluter, as emissions from a billion vehicles on the road > add up to a planet-wide problem. Driving a private car is a typical > citizen's most air polluting activity. The negative effects of > automotive emissions are maximum when you sit in traffic surrounded by > cars, their engines idling. Everyone sitting in a traffic jam is > getting poisoned. > > The Combustion Process Gasoline and diesel fuels are mixtures of > hydrocarbons (made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms.) Hydrocarbons > are burned by combining with oxygen. Nitrogen and sulphur atoms are > also present and combine with oxygen when burned to produce gases. > Automotive engines emit several types of pollutants..." > > "... Nitrogen Oxides Under high pressure and temperature conditions > in an engine, nitrogen and oxygen atoms react to form nitrogen oxides. > Catalytic converters in car exhaust systems break down heavier > nitrogen gases, forming nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 300 times more potent > than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. NO2 makes up about 7.2 > percent of the gases that cause global warming. Vehicles with > catalytic converters produced nearly half of that NO2..." > > http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carsepa.htm > > So the usual excuse from motorists, "I don't pollute because I have a > catalytic converter ", is a load of old hogwash. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net > "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience". Dr James Le Fanu (Central London based doctor) :- I have some personal experience of Mr Yeos concerns as the area of London where I work just a mile from the House of Commons includes one of the capitals busiest intersections. Every hour, thousands of cars pour over Vauxhall Bridge and hasten down The Embankment filling the air with their exhaust fumes. And yet I doubt I see a single patient with pollution-induced symptoms (let alone fatalities) from one years end to the next. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthadvice/jameslefanu/7528470/Doctors-Diary-pollution-deafness-and-cold-water-veins.html Flogging a dead horse springs to mind, and if all the cars became as clean as the Pious, Doug would still be bitching about the factthey are in his way on the roads (and not paying VED) whilst he trundles about on his illegal E-bike |