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From: GT on 3 Jun 2010 10:43 "Tom Crispin" <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message news:q8ff061d30in6kk6muu8k197vs1pt8gaae(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:16:54 +0100, "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: > >>"Tom Crispin" <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message >>news:6mcf069eqgndnc8spquko40ofpsmt9mjvr(a)4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:37:03 +0100, "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >>> >>>>half the recommended speed for the road >>> >>> What is the 'recommended speed for the road'? >> >>30 mph > > And can you tell me what the legal maximum speed for this road might > be? We all know what point you are trying to make, but the legal speed limit is set by the local authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed for the road. In most main roads this is 30mph, in quieter streets this is 20mph.
From: GT on 3 Jun 2010 10:44 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:86pt5mF8o0U18(a)mid.individual.net... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>>>>>>> the recommended speed for the road >>>>>>>> recognised safe speed for the road > >>>>>>> And where would this piece of information be available from? > >>>>>> Its written on large circular signs along the road. > >>>>> Riiiiiight. <gently> I don't think that's what you think it is. > >>>> In the UK driving test, they make sure you know what those signs are >>>> for. > >>> Quite. Which makes your misconception even more surprising. It's even >>> written down in the Highway Code (125, btw). > >> Is that the speed limit part? The limit that is set by the local >> authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed for the road? > > It's related to that fallacy, yes. Marvelous. Thats sorted then.
From: bod on 3 Jun 2010 10:46 GT wrote: > "Tom Crispin" <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message > news:q8ff061d30in6kk6muu8k197vs1pt8gaae(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:16:54 +0100, "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >> >>> "Tom Crispin" <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message >>> news:6mcf069eqgndnc8spquko40ofpsmt9mjvr(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:37:03 +0100, "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> >>>>> half the recommended speed for the road >>>> What is the 'recommended speed for the road'? >>> 30 mph >> And can you tell me what the legal maximum speed for this road might >> be? > > We all know what point you are trying to make, but the legal speed limit is > set by the local authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed for > the road. In most main roads this is 30mph, in quieter streets this is > 20mph. > > The speed limit signs are a maximum speed, not necessarily a safe speed, at any given time. Bod
From: Mrcheerful on 3 Jun 2010 10:47 GT wrote: > "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:86psi3F8o0U17(a)mid.individual.net... >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> >>>>>>> the recommended speed for the road >>>>>>> recognised safe speed for the road >> >>>>>> And where would this piece of information be available from? >> >>>>> Its written on large circular signs along the road. >> >>>> Riiiiiight. <gently> I don't think that's what you think it is. >> >>> In the UK driving test, they make sure you know what those signs are >>> for. >> >> Quite. Which makes your misconception even more surprising. It's even >> written down in the Highway Code (125, btw). > > Is that the speed limit part? The limit that is set by the local > authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed for the road? No, the 'speed limit' is the legal maximum that you may travel at (if other conditions allow), this is not a 'safe' speed, nor a recommendation.
From: Adrian on 3 Jun 2010 10:49
"GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>> What is the 'recommended speed for the road'? >>>30 mph >> And can you tell me what the legal maximum speed for this road might >> be? > We all know what point you are trying to make That you're wrong? Good. > but the legal speed limit is set by the local authorities as they > consider that to be the safe speed for the road. No, it isn't. 30mph is the default urban limit - and has been for ~75 years. 60mph is the default extra-urban limit - and has been for ~50 years. Those limits are _not_ comments on the safety or appropriateness of those speeds. There might be a case for arguing non-default limits carry some implication of a safe speed, but it's no more than an implication - and one which the HC is unequivocal in denying. |