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From: Clive George on 3 Jun 2010 13:16 On 03/06/2010 18:04, Mrcheerful wrote: > Clive George wrote: >> On 03/06/2010 17:42, GT wrote: >>> "Clive George"<clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:XYKdnduMAYZBRJrRnZ2dnUVZ8hqdnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk... >>>> On 03/06/2010 17:21, GT wrote: >>>>> "Mrcheerful"<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>> news:BxQNn.1595$Ty3.953(a)newsfe15.ams2... >>>>>> GT wrote: >>>>>>> "Mrcheerful"<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:3cQNn.1592$Ty3.1105(a)newsfe15.ams2... >>>>>>>> GT wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Mrcheerful"<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:igPNn.1590$Ty3.640(a)newsfe15.ams2... >>>>>>>>>> GT wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> "Adrian"<toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:86psi3F8o0U17(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> "GT"<a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >>>>>>>>>>>> saying: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the recommended speed for the road >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognised safe speed for the road >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And where would this piece of information be available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its written on large circular signs along the road. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riiiiiight.<gently> I don't think that's what you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the UK driving test, they make sure you know what those >>>>>>>>>>>>> signs are for. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quite. Which makes your misconception even more surprising. >>>>>>>>>>>> It's even written down in the Highway Code (125, btw). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is that the speed limit part? The limit that is set by the >>>>>>>>>>> local authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed >>>>>>>>>>> for the road? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, the 'speed limit' is the legal maximum that you may >>>>>>>>>> travel at (if other conditions allow), this is not a 'safe' >>>>>>>>>> speed, nor a recommendation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We've covered that point already. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you seemed confused, so it needs to be re-iterated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might have made one typo on another thread, but there's no >>>>>>> confusion here matey. >>>>>> >>>>>> just above at 2.37 you stated: >>>>>> >>>>>> "forced to slow down to >>>>>> about half the recommended speed for the road, while... " >>>>>> >>>>>> there is no such thing as a recommended speed for any road . >>>>> >>>>> Like I said at 16:26 - "We've covered that point already". The >>>>> recommended >>>>> maximum speed (commonly known as speed limit) is determined by the >>>>> local authorities for *every* road in their area. >>>> >>>> What's "recommended" about it? >>> >>> Read the above post! The maximum speed is both recommended by the >>> local authority and enforced by law in the form of a speed limit. >> >> I've read your post above, and see nothing telling me it's >> recommended. Maybe you can point to a bit of the HC which says it. >> >> Do you know the difference between "recommended" and "mandated"? > > I think I see the confusion: Do you mean that the local authority recommend > to the county (or higher authority) what the speed limit should be? > > Your post makes it sound as though you believe speed limits are the > recommended speed to travel at. (as recommended by the local authority) My post or GT's?
From: Mrcheerful on 3 Jun 2010 13:50 Clive George wrote: > On 03/06/2010 18:04, Mrcheerful wrote: >> Clive George wrote: >>> On 03/06/2010 17:42, GT wrote: >>>> "Clive George"<clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:XYKdnduMAYZBRJrRnZ2dnUVZ8hqdnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk... >>>>> On 03/06/2010 17:21, GT wrote: >>>>>> "Mrcheerful"<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>> news:BxQNn.1595$Ty3.953(a)newsfe15.ams2... >>>>>>> GT wrote: >>>>>>>> "Mrcheerful"<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:3cQNn.1592$Ty3.1105(a)newsfe15.ams2... >>>>>>>>> GT wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Mrcheerful"<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:igPNn.1590$Ty3.640(a)newsfe15.ams2... >>>>>>>>>>> GT wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Adrian"<toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:86psi3F8o0U17(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> "GT"<a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they >>>>>>>>>>>>> were saying: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the recommended speed for the road >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognised safe speed for the road >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And where would this piece of information be available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its written on large circular signs along the road. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riiiiiight.<gently> I don't think that's what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the UK driving test, they make sure you know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those signs are for. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite. Which makes your misconception even more >>>>>>>>>>>>> surprising. It's even written down in the Highway Code >>>>>>>>>>>>> (125, btw). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is that the speed limit part? The limit that is set by the >>>>>>>>>>>> local authorities as they consider that to be the safe >>>>>>>>>>>> speed for the road? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, the 'speed limit' is the legal maximum that you may >>>>>>>>>>> travel at (if other conditions allow), this is not a 'safe' >>>>>>>>>>> speed, nor a recommendation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We've covered that point already. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you seemed confused, so it needs to be re-iterated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I might have made one typo on another thread, but there's no >>>>>>>> confusion here matey. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> just above at 2.37 you stated: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "forced to slow down to >>>>>>> about half the recommended speed for the road, while... " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> there is no such thing as a recommended speed for any road . >>>>>> >>>>>> Like I said at 16:26 - "We've covered that point already". The >>>>>> recommended >>>>>> maximum speed (commonly known as speed limit) is determined by >>>>>> the local authorities for *every* road in their area. >>>>> >>>>> What's "recommended" about it? >>>> >>>> Read the above post! The maximum speed is both recommended by the >>>> local authority and enforced by law in the form of a speed limit. >>> >>> I've read your post above, and see nothing telling me it's >>> recommended. Maybe you can point to a bit of the HC which says it. >>> >>> Do you know the difference between "recommended" and "mandated"? >> >> I think I see the confusion: Do you mean that the local authority >> recommend to the county (or higher authority) what the speed limit >> should be? Your post makes it sound as though you believe speed limits >> are the >> recommended speed to travel at. (as recommended by the local >> authority) > > My post or GT's? Sorry, it is getting confused, I was referring to GT post.
From: John on 3 Jun 2010 16:53 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c07b97a$0$29755$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:MKONn.1589$Ty3.72(a)newsfe15.ams2... >> GT wrote: >>> "Tom Crispin" <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message >>> news:s41f065j8se9mr0dr790fb2u3dq63ge4cj(a)4ax.com... >>>> >>>> On the A2, at the New Cross Gyratory (which is scheduled for removal >>>> to allow two-way traffic, slow traffic speeds, and make the area >>>> safer for cyclists) there was a sunken drain cover causing a nasty >>>> pothole. While we were discussing how road space could be >>>> reallocated to cyclists within the constraints of two-way traffic >>>> flow, a truck pulled up with two workmen. They jumped out of the >>>> cab, each carrying a tub of "ULTRA permanent pothole repair". They >>>> proceeded to fill the pothole and instruct lorry and bus drivers to >>>> driver over it to compact it. Two minutes later and they were done. >>>> Two minutes to fill a pothole!? >>> >>> They tried to fill the potholes near us, but unfortunately, they >>> missed the holes and the tarmac all landed in a big pile in the >>> middle of the lane! The council didn't clean up the mess, but instead >>> they just painted some white triangles on it to make it visible!! >>> >>> Drivers of smaller, easily stopped vehicles are now forced to slow >>> down to about half the recommended speed for the road, while the >>> wide, heavy vehicles with high momentum and poor stopping distances >>> can easily straddle the bumps and continue at the speed limit. This >>> constant slowing down then speeding back up to recognised safe speed >>> for the road burns lots of fuel and is very wasteful and bad for the >>> environment. These big bumps create congestion and the number of new >>> suspension parts required and new parts for the undersides of the >>> smaller vehicles has rissen rapidly, so we are having to manufacture >>> more car parts and throw away new, but broken parts, which is also >>> bad for the environment. >>> Someone since has played a rediculous practical joke and made loads >>> of them over the streets! >> >> apparently the latest gov.mint are going to get rid of them........holds >> breath. > > Really? I missed that new post from Doug!!! > > It is disappointing when a road is freshly re-surfaced and then the manholes start to sink after the first bad weather. Is it the brickwork - or the foundations at the base of the shaft?
From: john wright on 3 Jun 2010 18:06 On 03/06/2010 15:43, GT wrote: > "Tom Crispin"<kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message > news:q8ff061d30in6kk6muu8k197vs1pt8gaae(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:16:54 +0100, "GT"<a(a)b.c> wrote: >> >>> "Tom Crispin"<kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message >>> news:6mcf069eqgndnc8spquko40ofpsmt9mjvr(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:37:03 +0100, "GT"<a(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> >>>>> half the recommended speed for the road >>>> >>>> What is the 'recommended speed for the road'? >>> >>> 30 mph >> >> And can you tell me what the legal maximum speed for this road might >> be? > > We all know what point you are trying to make, but the legal speed limit is > set by the local authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed for > the road. In most main roads this is 30mph, in quieter streets this is > 20mph. If you were to stop after authority that would be more or less correct. I don't think consideration comes into it, more local politics. -- John Wright Use your imagination Marvin! Life's bad enough as it is - why invent any more of it.
From: Chris Bartram on 4 Jun 2010 03:18
On 03/06/2010 15:43, GT wrote: > "Tom Crispin"<kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message > news:q8ff061d30in6kk6muu8k197vs1pt8gaae(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:16:54 +0100, "GT"<a(a)b.c> wrote: >> >>> "Tom Crispin"<kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message >>> news:6mcf069eqgndnc8spquko40ofpsmt9mjvr(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:37:03 +0100, "GT"<a(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> >>>>> half the recommended speed for the road >>>> >>>> What is the 'recommended speed for the road'? >>> >>> 30 mph >> >> And can you tell me what the legal maximum speed for this road might >> be? > > We all know what point you are trying to make, but the legal speed limit is > set by the local authorities as they consider that to be the safe speed for > the road. In most main roads this is 30mph, in quieter streets this is > 20mph. > > Really? I can think of several roads around here that have a 60 (NSL) limit that you'd have to be suicidal to drive at more than 25-30 in many places, and a little deranged to do more than 40 on pretty much the whole road. |