Fines for red light jumping and other offences
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From: Brimstone on 31 Jul 2010 04:58 "NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:9bbc08df-0ae7-4801-aab7-ffb4e126d4de(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > On 31 July, 09:23, Matt B <matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: >> On 31/07/2010 09:00, Derek C wrote: >> >> > On Jul 31, 8:47 am, Matt B<matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: >> >> On 31/07/2010 08:39, Derek C wrote: >> >> >> Do you believe that most sets of traffic lights give more benefit than >> >> dis-benefit for most of the time? Would our access roads and streets >> >> be >> >> safer, less congested and polluted and more enjoyable places without >> >> them? >> >> > It seems to me that some sets of traffic lights are deliberately >> > designed to slow up motorised traffic as much as possible, especially >> > in motorist hating Labour controlled boroughs.Some lights change so >> > quickly that only a few vehicles at a time can get through, while >> > others keep you waiting at the red light for ages, long after all the >> > traffic going in the other direction has got through the junction. >> >> The dead phase of all-red is the real congestion and pollution creator. >> >> > However most traffic lights are reasonably sensible. >> >> At all times? Could they be switched off at, say, night? >> > > In the land of the Frog they used at night to put the main road > traffic lights to green with amber flashing and the side road red with > also amber flash, side road go but give precedence to traffic on main > road and a warning for the main road traffic. > And in Germany all sets flashed amber meaning "give way to the right".
From: Tony Raven on 31 Jul 2010 05:00 Derek C wrote: > From the court reports in my local newspaper: > > Motorist failed to comply with a red traffic light while driving a > motor vehicle - Fine and costs �200 plus three penalty points on his > licence. > > Motorist failed to comply with a red traffic light while driving a > motor vehicle - Fine and costs �110 plus three penalty points on her > licence. > > Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention - Fine and > costs �190 plus 5 penalty points. > > Faulty rear lights on a motor vehicle - Fine and costs �275. > > > If only penalties like these were applied to cyclists, we would soon > see a drop in deliberate RLJing, no lights at night and the many > other offences that cyclists seem to get away with scot free! > > Derek C > Richard Hodgson, 53, of Maldon Road, Brighton, was found guilty of ignoring a red traffic light, cycling without lights, cycling on the pavement and failing to stop for police. Brighton magistrates fined him �700 and ordered him to pay �215 in costs. If only penalties like that were applied to motorists we would soon see a drop in deliberate running red lights and speeding that motorists seem to get away with scot free! Yes I can do anecdotes too. -- Tony " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." Bertrand Russell
From: Derek C on 31 Jul 2010 05:07 On Jul 31, 10:00 am, Tony Raven <tra...(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > Derek C wrote: > > From the court reports in my local newspaper: > > > Motorist failed to comply with a red traffic light while driving a > > motor vehicle - Fine and costs £200 plus three penalty points on his > > licence. > > > Motorist failed to comply with a red traffic light while driving a > > motor vehicle - Fine and costs £110 plus three penalty points on her > > licence. > > > Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention - Fine and > > costs £190 plus 5 penalty points. > > > Faulty rear lights on a motor vehicle - Fine and costs £275. > > > If only penalties like these were applied to cyclists, we would soon > > see a drop in deliberate RLJing, no lights at night and the many > > other offences that cyclists seem to get away with scot free! > > > Derek C > > Richard Hodgson, 53, of Maldon Road, Brighton, was found guilty of > ignoring a red traffic light, cycling without lights, cycling on the > pavement and failing to stop for police. > > Brighton magistrates fined him £700 and ordered him to pay £215 in costs. > > If only penalties like that were applied to motorists we would soon see > a drop in deliberate running red lights and speeding that motorists seem > to get away with scot free! > > Yes I can do anecdotes too. > > -- > Tony > How often do cyclists get fined? The above cyclist committed such a string of offences that the Police were determined to get him. See: http://newsfrombrighton.co.uk/brighton-and-hove-news/cyclist-fined-700-for-ignoring-red-light/ Derek C
From: Ian Jackson on 31 Jul 2010 05:28 In message <8bi4rrFhbrU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Matt B <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> writes >On 31/07/2010 09:00, Derek C wrote: >> On Jul 31, 8:47 am, Matt B<matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: >>> On 31/07/2010 08:39, Derek C wrote: >>> >>> Do you believe that most sets of traffic lights give more benefit than >>> dis-benefit for most of the time? Would our access roads and streets be >>> safer, less congested and polluted and more enjoyable places without them? >> >> It seems to me that some sets of traffic lights are deliberately >> designed to slow up motorised traffic as much as possible, especially >> in motorist hating Labour controlled boroughs.Some lights change so >> quickly that only a few vehicles at a time can get through, while >> others keep you waiting at the red light for ages, long after all the >> traffic going in the other direction has got through the junction. > >The dead phase of all-red is the real congestion and pollution creator. > Except for those where the dead phase is measured in microseconds. >> However most traffic lights are reasonably sensible. > >At all times? Could they be switched off at, say, night? > Don't they do this, on the Continent? Crossroads show flashing amber for all directions, and then it's the usual continental 'priorit� � droite'. >> If you didn't >> have traffic lights, you might find it difficult to enter a main road >> from a minor one with give way signs at busy times of day. > >What if you didn't have give-way limes or signs either, and there was >no defined priority - just an imaginatively cobbled or garishly painted >free-for-all zone in the middle? This is the case when traffic lights >break down (except for the cobbled or painted bit!), and in such >circumstances the junctions generally flow more efficiently. > Apart from the bit about 'no defined priority', you are well on the way to inventing the (mini) roundabout! >What about the danger of RLJers (deliberate or erroneous) - that risk >would disappear if there was no red (and no green) light? > -- Ian
From: The Medway Handyman on 31 Jul 2010 05:33
Tony Raven wrote: > Derek C wrote: >> From the court reports in my local newspaper: >> >> Motorist failed to comply with a red traffic light while driving a >> motor vehicle - Fine and costs �200 plus three penalty points on his >> licence. >> >> Motorist failed to comply with a red traffic light while driving a >> motor vehicle - Fine and costs �110 plus three penalty points on her >> licence. >> >> Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention - Fine and >> costs �190 plus 5 penalty points. >> >> Faulty rear lights on a motor vehicle - Fine and costs �275. >> >> >> If only penalties like these were applied to cyclists, we would soon >> see a drop in deliberate RLJing, no lights at night and the many >> other offences that cyclists seem to get away with scot free! >> >> Derek C >> > > Richard Hodgson, 53, of Maldon Road, Brighton, was found guilty of > ignoring a red traffic light, cycling without lights, cycling on the > pavement and failing to stop for police. > > Brighton magistrates fined him �700 and ordered him to pay �215 in > costs. > If only penalties like that were applied to motorists we would soon > see a drop in deliberate running red lights and speeding that > motorists seem to get away with scot free! > > Yes I can do anecdotes too. But you could only find one. Game, set, match - Derek C. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |