Fines for red light jumping and other offences
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From: Clive George on 2 Aug 2010 10:25 On 02/08/2010 15:24, Sara wrote: > In article<ipjd56ph0cmgt74jnd3cde288tc6j28n3c(a)4ax.com>, > "Just zis Guy, you know?"<guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:50:29 +0100, Sara >> <saramerriman(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>>> Just because others do something, it doesn't excuse those who should know >>>>> better. Putting on the lights on your bike when its dark is pretty basic! >>>> >>>> If you have them. And the batteries aren't flat. For some reason it is >>>> always assumed that the cyclist in question deliberately set off >>>> unlit, rather than the lamps failing en route. I don't know how often >>>> that happens but I guess it is not uncommon on country roads at least. >>>> >>> Or you get stuck in a meeting *just* as you were about to leave work, >>> which lasts a couple of hours... by which time it's dark and you hadn't >>> brought lights with you. >> >> This is why I switched to using hub dynamos on my commuters. I've >> never regretted it. I am having the devil's own job persuading the lad >> to do the same, though. I think we'll compromise on him using my hack >> when he's going out in the evenings - he is now only half an inch >> shorter than me so that will work I guess. >> > Not sure I pedal hard enough to power a dynamo. I very much a pootling > rider. Dynamo + LED lamps work from a very low speed, so you'd be ok :-)
From: GT on 2 Aug 2010 11:01 "Sara" <saramerriman(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:saramerriman-317568.15243802082010(a)news.individual.net... > In article <ipjd56ph0cmgt74jnd3cde288tc6j28n3c(a)4ax.com>, > "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:50:29 +0100, Sara >> <saramerriman(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>> Just because others do something, it doesn't excuse those who should >> >>> know >> >>> better. Putting on the lights on your bike when its dark is pretty >> >>> basic! >> >> >> >> If you have them. And the batteries aren't flat. For some reason it is >> >> always assumed that the cyclist in question deliberately set off >> >> unlit, rather than the lamps failing en route. I don't know how often >> >> that happens but I guess it is not uncommon on country roads at least. >> >> >> >Or you get stuck in a meeting *just* as you were about to leave work, >> >which lasts a couple of hours... by which time it's dark and you hadn't >> >brought lights with you. >> >> This is why I switched to using hub dynamos on my commuters. I've >> never regretted it. I am having the devil's own job persuading the lad >> to do the same, though. I think we'll compromise on him using my hack >> when he's going out in the evenings - he is now only half an inch >> shorter than me so that will work I guess. >> > Not sure I pedal hard enough to power a dynamo. I very much a pootling > rider. You can get solar powered, very lightweight rear lights, so its only the front light that you need to worry about really.
From: Bob on 2 Aug 2010 08:46 "Matt B" <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> wrote in message news:8bn8niFlmvU1(a)mid.individual.net... > On 01/08/2010 21:12, Bob wrote: >> >> "Matt B" <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: >> >>>> But in those cases surely there is someone either completely >>>> disregarding or with a poor understanding of the priority rules. >>> >>> Yes. For their efficacy they rely on 100% human infallibility - all of >>> the time. >> >> As would any other system apart from, I'd imagine, an entirely automated >> transit system. > > No rules means no reliance on others observing them. In places where the > rules have been removed the roads are safer and flow more freely. > >> I've seen plenty of incidents of collisions that have >> nothing to do with traffic lights - just bad judgment. > > At the sorts of speeds that a rule-free free-for-all deliver, bad > judgement tends be lead to a "whoops, sorry", rather than anything > serious. > >>>> No >>>> matter how perfect a rule is if someone doesn't follow it then >>>> accidents >>>> will happen. >>> >>> How can a rule that requires the defiance of the laws of human nature >>> be "perfect"? >> >> I'm not saying the rule is perfect. I'm arguing that you can't always >> counter ignorance, stupidity or arrogance. Rules or no rules. > > No, but no rules means that the majority have a safer, less congested and > more enjoyable experience. There's no need to jeopardise that with futile > attempts to regiment the unregimentable. We see them in all walks of > life; most of us simply tolerate their anti-social ways. > >>>> Will someone who RLJ's suddenly stop driving unsafely if a >>>> different rule is introduced? >>> >>> Apparently, based on the experiences at places where the removal (not >>> replacement) of rules has virtually eliminated serious casualties. >> >> Not familiar with this so can't argue there. What examples do you give >> as a matter of interest? > > Take a look at this article: > <http://is.gd/dXO67-> > >> I'd still say that someone who regularly RLJ's does so through >> impatience and probably does likewise in other scenarios where they >> perceive it safe to continue. No doubt we've all seen a lot of examples >> of this. > > Yes, they disobey the current rules. Why have rules that cause more > danger and more congestion and are ignored my some anyway? > >> What about pedestrians as well? Surely a large number of traffic lights >> are also provide means for safely crossing the road? > > The rule-free schemes make it easier for peds to cross, and the slower > speeds and politer drivers make it much safer anyway. > > Did you watch the Cassini video? > <http://is.gd/dXOMB-> > > -- > Matt B The video's a good one. Although I do notice a lot of the pedestrians there are pretty nimble at shifting out of the way or taking an opportunity to cross. What about people who aren't as mobile or perhaps blind? I'd still be in favour of retaining lights that are only activated when a pedestrian wishes to create a clear chance to cross. Overall though there is certainly a case for a large reduction in the number of automated traffic lights. Bob
From: Just zis Guy, you know? on 2 Aug 2010 13:15 On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:24:38 +0100, Sara <saramerriman(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >In article <ipjd56ph0cmgt74jnd3cde288tc6j28n3c(a)4ax.com>, > "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:50:29 +0100, Sara >> <saramerriman(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>> Just because others do something, it doesn't excuse those who should know >> >>> better. Putting on the lights on your bike when its dark is pretty basic! >> >> >> >> If you have them. And the batteries aren't flat. For some reason it is >> >> always assumed that the cyclist in question deliberately set off >> >> unlit, rather than the lamps failing en route. I don't know how often >> >> that happens but I guess it is not uncommon on country roads at least. >> >> >> >Or you get stuck in a meeting *just* as you were about to leave work, >> >which lasts a couple of hours... by which time it's dark and you hadn't >> >brought lights with you. >> >> This is why I switched to using hub dynamos on my commuters. I've >> never regretted it. I am having the devil's own job persuading the lad >> to do the same, though. I think we'll compromise on him using my hack >> when he's going out in the evenings - he is now only half an inch >> shorter than me so that will work I guess. >> >Not sure I pedal hard enough to power a dynamo. I very much a pootling >rider. The SON on my Brompton provides full light output at just above walking pace, and the drag is barely noticeable. Oh, and it is shiny. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid.
From: Steve Firth on 2 Aug 2010 13:47
Colin McKenzie <news(a)proof-read.co.uk> wrote: > You are trying, presumably deliberately, to imply that every increase in > the all-red phase is politically motivated, No, but since you're now into telling lies, this conversation is over. |