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From: hippo on 31 May 2010 19:57
Deevo wrote:
>
> "hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
> message news:htvpfj$hvh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> > Noddy wrote:
> <snip>
> >> Finally, I'd add that if you want a decent driving vehicle that seats 7
> >> (5
> >> in comfort and two who are either midgets or amputees) and don't mind
> >> getting to know your Ford dealer on a first name basis (or spending your
> >> week-ends with the bonnet up if you're handy yourself) then buy a Terry
> >> as
> >> they're a good base despite the problems. However, if you want hassle
> >> free
> >> reliable motoring without having to worry about shitloads of issues that
> >> shouldn't be affecting a car built in the last ten years then buy
> >> anything
> >> else.
> >
> > Except a Great Wally or a Mahindra that is....
> > or especially a Chery if they wind up coming out here too.
>
> Have you any actual facts to base that assertion on? While I can't speak
> for Mahindra or the Chery (sp?) I've been involved in parts supply for GWM
> for the last three months now and build issues have been minor and well
> addressed to date by Ateco (The Australian importer). I'm still uncertain
> about the long term viability of the marque, only time will answer that
> question and I won't be so ignorant and bigoted as to pre judge them simply
> on the basis of their country of origin. I'll leave that to the more
> ignorant observers.

Recall of entire delivery to date for a seatbelt mount issue wasn't
'minor', but I agree that Ateco seem to have got on top it pretty quickly
and certainly more thoroughly than Ford or Hyundai did with Excel and
Terry front end problems.

If quality control becomes and remains consistent, then yeah, fair call.
End of the day though, it's either a pretty cut price new truck, or a good
way of repackaging a ten year old design quite profitably, depending on
how you look at it. Long term viability wil probably directly depend on QC
improving, Ateco staying committed for the long haul and possibly an
uprated powerplant with more power and torque some time soon.

Mahindra have improved, especially the reliability and a much better
engine, but they're still pretty clunky in lots of respects and there
aren't many dealers. 'Chery' is correct. Crash testing results have been
spectacularly bad. They've apparently improved, but it wouldn't be hard!
Cheers

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From: D Walford on 31 May 2010 21:39
On 1/06/2010 9:20 AM, Dan--- wrote:
> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4c04420a$0$28654$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>> On 31/05/2010 11:29 PM, Deevo wrote:
>
>>
>> I couldn't comment on the reliability of GW vehicles but after seeing the
>> crash tests on youtube I wouldn't feel safe driving a vehicle that lacks
>> structural integrity.
>> Until they address those serious issues they won't be on my shopping list.
>
> Indeed also their engines are way underpowered too especially if you have a
> loaded tray and or towing a trailer.

Yep, very down on power for a vehicle that is meant to carry and tow a
heavy load.
>
> If I was going to look for a replacement for my Rodeo I would look at the
> Nissan Navara Turbo Diesel.

The new model has more power, just hope they improved their weak
clutches which struggled with the power of the old engine or buy an auto
(yuk).


Daryl
From: Noddy on 31 May 2010 21:54

"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4c0464c3$0$28663$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...

> The new model has more power, just hope they improved their weak clutches
> which struggled with the power of the old engine or buy an auto (yuk).

Heathen :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.


From: Deevo on 1 Jun 2010 09:01
"hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
message news:hu1icr$al4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Deevo wrote:
>>
>> "hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:htvpfj$hvh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> > Noddy wrote:
>> <snip>
>> >> Finally, I'd add that if you want a decent driving vehicle that seats
>> >> 7
>> >> (5
>> >> in comfort and two who are either midgets or amputees) and don't mind
>> >> getting to know your Ford dealer on a first name basis (or spending
>> >> your
>> >> week-ends with the bonnet up if you're handy yourself) then buy a
>> >> Terry
>> >> as
>> >> they're a good base despite the problems. However, if you want hassle
>> >> free
>> >> reliable motoring without having to worry about shitloads of issues
>> >> that
>> >> shouldn't be affecting a car built in the last ten years then buy
>> >> anything
>> >> else.
>> >
>> > Except a Great Wally or a Mahindra that is....
>> > or especially a Chery if they wind up coming out here too.
>>
>> Have you any actual facts to base that assertion on? While I can't speak
>> for Mahindra or the Chery (sp?) I've been involved in parts supply for
>> GWM
>> for the last three months now and build issues have been minor and well
>> addressed to date by Ateco (The Australian importer). I'm still
>> uncertain
>> about the long term viability of the marque, only time will answer that
>> question and I won't be so ignorant and bigoted as to pre judge them
>> simply
>> on the basis of their country of origin. I'll leave that to the more
>> ignorant observers.
>
> Recall of entire delivery to date for a seatbelt mount issue wasn't
> 'minor', but I agree that Ateco seem to have got on top it pretty quickly
> and certainly more thoroughly than Ford or Hyundai did with Excel and
> Terry front end problems.

Yes, I know about the seatbelt issue. I can't speak for other dealers but
my work had seven V240s affected, all of which were upgraded by us before
they were delivered. The cars we've received subsequently have already had
the upgrades done.

> If quality control becomes and remains consistent, then yeah, fair call.
> End of the day though, it's either a pretty cut price new truck, or a good
> way of repackaging a ten year old design quite profitably, depending on
> how you look at it. Long term viability wil probably directly depend on QC
> improving, Ateco staying committed for the long haul and possibly an
> uprated powerplant with more power and torque some time soon.

Well, the turbo diesels will be out on next year's Wingle 5 (the facelifted
V240) along with a single cab ute and the rather old technology SA220 will
be dropped from the line up. As I said before, time will tell.

> Mahindra have improved, especially the reliability and a much better
> engine, but they're still pretty clunky in lots of respects and there
> aren't many dealers. 'Chery' is correct. Crash testing results have been
> spectacularly bad. They've apparently improved, but it wouldn't be hard!
> Cheers

The unfortunate thing about Mahindra is that they already have a history in
Australia, I hope for their sakes that they'll overcome that. GWM has a
major domestic market share in China being their largest manufacturer with
some seriously interesting looking models. If they keep up with the way
they have started they could become a major player here.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia




From: Deevo on 1 Jun 2010 09:05
"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4c04420a$0$28654$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> On 31/05/2010 11:29 PM, Deevo wrote:
>> "hippo"<am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:htvpfj$hvh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Noddy wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> Finally, I'd add that if you want a decent driving vehicle that seats 7
>>>> (5
>>>> in comfort and two who are either midgets or amputees) and don't mind
>>>> getting to know your Ford dealer on a first name basis (or spending
>>>> your
>>>> week-ends with the bonnet up if you're handy yourself) then buy a Terry
>>>> as
>>>> they're a good base despite the problems. However, if you want hassle
>>>> free
>>>> reliable motoring without having to worry about shitloads of issues
>>>> that
>>>> shouldn't be affecting a car built in the last ten years then buy
>>>> anything
>>>> else.
>>>
>>> Except a Great Wally or a Mahindra that is....
>>> or especially a Chery if they wind up coming out here too.
>>
>> Have you any actual facts to base that assertion on? While I can't speak
>> for Mahindra or the Chery (sp?) I've been involved in parts supply for
>> GWM
>> for the last three months now and build issues have been minor and well
>> addressed to date by Ateco (The Australian importer). I'm still
>> uncertain
>> about the long term viability of the marque, only time will answer that
>> question and I won't be so ignorant and bigoted as to pre judge them
>> simply
>> on the basis of their country of origin. I'll leave that to the more
>> ignorant observers.
>
> I couldn't comment on the reliability of GW vehicles but after seeing the
> crash tests on youtube I wouldn't feel safe driving a vehicle that lacks
> structural integrity.

Are there any other utes shown for comparison? D-Max or Colarado for
example?

> Until they address those serious issues they won't be on my shopping list.

Nothing affects vehicle safety more than the nut behind the wheel.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia


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