From: thomas on

"the gods have made us mad" <staring(a)destruction.com> wrote in message
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>
> Perhaps one of he most compelling reasons for buying a 4x4 is the inherent
> strength of the the thing when someone crashes into you. It might not be
> PC, but a family stand a much better chance of emerging unscathed than
> from a Mondeo, etc.

As much as I love my (part time) 4x4 I have to point out that due to their
weight they will damage the other vehicle more (so long as the other vehicle
is not a bigger 4x4) however they are not inherently "safer"

I'l not bother with the physics just point out that an egg in an egg box can
be dropped onto concrete and remain safe but one dropped inside a small
metal petty cash box will be broken

From: Mike Barnes on
Smurf <smurf(a)smurf.com>:
>can you name me a 4x4 made in the last seven years that has no diff lock?

You need to be clear what you mean by "4x4" and what you mean by "diff
lock". BTW what's the significance of seven years?

--
Mike Barnes
From: Richard on
On Jan 7, 10:53 pm, "Smurf" <sm...(a)smurf.com> wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
> > Turk182 wrote:
> >> The man who denied dying soldiers their helicopters, Gordon Brown,
> >> has also been a key figure in the demonisation of four wheel drive
> >> owners in the UK.
>
> >> How typical; on my local radio station there are now appeals being
> >> made for anyone with four wheel drive vehicles to contact support
> >> agencies and in some cases, ambulance stations, who are finding they
> >> are unable to get assistance to old people and the injured in rural
> >> areas.
>
> >> If anyone hid their four wheel drive, rather than be victim to the
> >> government hate campaign, could you now bring your vehicle out of
> >> hiding - you country needs 4WDs'.
>
> >> Come to think of it - we're short of everything except debt!
>
> > Yes indeedy. For the first time in 30 years there is, at last, some
> > valid use for these monstrosities!
>
> > Kev
>
> I bought my first one within the last couple of months, and spend my time
> driving round rural areas for my job. There isnt a hill or path my monster
> has not being able to get up with ease. I have practically pissed myself
> laughing at bmws and mercs, with their rear wheel drive....
>
> The great thing with the four wheel drive, the chunky tyres and the extra
> traction,  is the fun you have when you lose a bit of grip and the vehicle
> starts to slide, as it begins to slip away, you gently tap the accelerator,
> and its as if someone put steel spikes into the ground, as it immediatly
> gets control and traction and its off, as if you were driving on a rubber
> track.

One wonders if you have ever driven off road seriously, and whether or
not you immediately regain traction and control when driving in icy
conditions?
From: Richard on
On Jan 8, 12:16 am, "the gods have made us mad"
<star...(a)destruction.com> wrote:
> "IanT" <noem...(a)email.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:hi5sd0$3kl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > "Turk182" <digitalradi...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:6d39b90e-f59b-4a19-a727-975e08a4e05f(a)a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >> The man who denied dying soldiers their helicopters, Gordon Brown,
>
> > Speak to anyone in the forces abroad - there is no shortage of helicopters
> > or equipment.  The complaints started because soldiers figting illegal
> > wars
> > were not happy with military issue equipment.  They were paying for
> > different
> > non-approved and unsuitable items such as boots and expecting us to pay
> > them back.  Learn to see through emotional and political rubbish.  You
> > just repeat what you hear on the news without knowing the facts as told by
> > British soldiers.<<<
>
> When it's a matter of life and death, don't they deserve the best?
>
> If this country has enough money to accommodate 'asylum seekers' and other
> unwanted riff-raff, then it has enough money to equip its troops properly!!

Effectively as these troops are engaged in an illegal war, are they
not just as culpable as those who have orchestrated and organised the
illegal war?
From: Brimstone on


"thomas" <toooommygin(a)retardedloony.com> wrote in message
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> "the gods have made us mad" <staring(a)destruction.com> wrote in message
> news:hi5svu$1h85$1(a)energise.enta.net...
>>
>> Perhaps one of he most compelling reasons for buying a 4x4 is the
>> inherent strength of the the thing when someone crashes into you. It
>> might not be PC, but a family stand a much better chance of emerging
>> unscathed than from a Mondeo, etc.
>
> As much as I love my (part time) 4x4 I have to point out that due to
> their weight they will damage the other vehicle more (so long as the other
> vehicle is not a bigger 4x4) however they are not inherently "safer"
>
> I'l not bother with the physics just point out that an egg in an egg box
> can be dropped onto concrete and remain safe but one dropped inside a
> small metal petty cash box will be broken
>
I did once see a Vauxhall Viva (it was a long time ago) write off a Land
Rover (long wheelbase IIRC). The Viva suffered nothing more than a minor
ding in the bonnet. The LR's chassis was twisted.