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From: Clive on 19 Jul 2010 18:36 In message <glh9469qqsob1ipfa58ln1cf72rv5s1hts(a)4ax.com>, edward ohare <edward_ohare(a)nospam.yahoo.com.invalid> writes >Mercedes make decisions the old Chrysler crew wouldn't have made if >you held a gun to their heads. The only thing worse than having >Schrempp and Zetske running Chrysler was having the ex Home Depot CEO >running it. And I'm beginning to think even the people from Fiat >might be an improvement. You obviously think you know best. Good luck to you, -- Clive
From: edward ohare on 20 Jul 2010 00:48 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:36:11 +0100, Clive <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <glh9469qqsob1ipfa58ln1cf72rv5s1hts(a)4ax.com>, edward ohare ><edward_ohare(a)nospam.yahoo.com.invalid> writes >>Mercedes make decisions the old Chrysler crew wouldn't have made if >>you held a gun to their heads. The only thing worse than having >>Schrempp and Zetske running Chrysler was having the ex Home Depot CEO >>running it. And I'm beginning to think even the people from Fiat >>might be an improvement. >You obviously think you know best. Good luck to you, You mean when I buy a Hyundai? <G>
From: Matthew Russotto on 20 Jul 2010 20:59 In article <9OudnbCba8ZZQaHRnZ2dnUVZ8i2dnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, DAS <nobody(a)spam.co.uk> wrote: > >I suspect a number of people in North America do not understand the size of >the Daimler AG (probably true of Europeans as well, but they will be well >aware of lorries and buses, which are visible everywhere): > >http://www.daimler.com/ We have the trucks and buses here too. -- The problem with socialism is there's always someone with less ability and more need.
From: Clive on 20 Jul 2010 21:05 In message <zDr1o.36255$3%3.26584(a)newsfe23.iad>, Matthew Russotto <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> writes >We have the trucks and buses here too. They also happen to make rather good locomotive engines too. -- Clive
From: DAS on 21 Jul 2010 07:31
As a general comment, I think the Daimler/Chrysler situation is not black or white, and various aspects have already been discussed by others. To me it always looked like a takeover of Chrysler and did not buy/understand the "merger of equals" talk. Clearly DB bit off more that it could chew and, I believe, was run by megalomanic top management. I recall reading a respectable and founded opinion piece about the rush to get the new joint company registered on the NY stock exchange. A driving force for the German directors was to have justification to raise their salary levels to the then stratospheric American ones. No director of a German-listed company could ever have found support for this. Regardless of the technical/mechanical arguments about technology transfer, quality of Chrysler car (selling maybe 2m p.a. against 1m Mercedes cars at the time of the fusion) and as a fan and long-term driver of Mercedes cars, I always thought the idea stupid, a diversion of management attention from the production of Merc-branded cars. Yes, maybe US sales growth was slow but it was manageable, and the quality issues in the US plant were eventually sorted out. The corporation had already made ill-advised excursions into unrelated areas such as white goods (AEG kitchen equipment and the like, when AEG was losing money hand over fist, later divested), and into aerospace, also a hugely loss-making (and govt-subsidised) venture. The hypocrisy that the then management managed was breathtaking. After previously complaining about (German) govt subsidies going into other enterprises and how that should end, they went cap in hand to the (German govt) bleating about the need for subsidy. This was quite a few years before the Chrysler fiasco and I thought that management had learned some lessons, but evidently not. I have already expressed these opinions here before some time ago, but I thought them worth repeating as they are apposite to this discussion. Furthermore, I could not see how Daimler Benz (as it was then called) could handle running a mid-market brand and an upmarket one (despite Merc having become 'mass market') under one roof. It is a trick that Volkswagen have pulled off but only after years (decades?) of careful nurturing of the Audi marque, which had and has been part of the corporation for decades. Downmarket/decrepit Skoda was acquired and integrated with great success but under special circumstances. The Mercedes dealerships in Germany had real problems coming to terms with having Chrysler in the group. DAS To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' -- "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:bobMK+X9ekRMFwDf(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <zDr1o.36255$3%3.26584(a)newsfe23.iad>, Matthew Russotto > <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> writes >>We have the trucks and buses here too. > They also happen to make rather good locomotive engines too. > -- > Clive > |