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From: Harry Bloomfield on 28 Jul 2010 12:28 The gasless wire I ordered a couple of days ago for my gas bottle only type MIG welder, has just turned up and I'm pleased to say - it works great. I only wish I had known that using gasless wire was an option for for it, long ago. That is all. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: T i m on 28 Jul 2010 17:45 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:28:06 +0100, Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >The gasless wire I ordered a couple of days ago for my gas bottle only >type MIG welder, has just turned up and I'm pleased to say - it works >great. What sort of stock did you use it on Harry? Was there noticeably more spatter? Did you test a weld and did it seem as strong as with gas? > I only wish I had known that using gasless wire was an option >for for it, long ago. Ironically I've had the option of using gasless for as long as I've had my welder (probably ~14 years) as I bought the wire and feed kit at the same time. I recently backed my PortaPak bottles because they hadn't been used for years (rental creeping up) and nearly took the Argoshield with them but do have a bit of work to do re some steel garden gates (frames) and posts so kept it. However, as I might end up doing it outside anyway, gasless could be a better solution in any case? [Car welders] ... Would the 'outdoor' thing still apply to car sills (welded outdoors) or is gas shielding still preferred in that case? Cheers, T i m
From: Dave Plowman (News) on 28 Jul 2010 18:37 In article <mn.e4187da71cad188f.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>, Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > The gasless wire I ordered a couple of days ago for my gas bottle only > type MIG welder, has just turned up and I'm pleased to say - it works > great. I only wish I had known that using gasless wire was an option > for for it, long ago. That is all. Thanks, Harry, I'll give it a try. Working outdoors I've been spending a fortune on gas. -- *Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines? Dave Plowman dave(a)davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.
From: Dave Baker on 29 Jul 2010 04:06 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message news:513e1ea6f8dave(a)davenoise.co.uk... > In article <mn.e4187da71cad188f.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>, > Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> The gasless wire I ordered a couple of days ago for my gas bottle only >> type MIG welder, has just turned up and I'm pleased to say - it works >> great. I only wish I had known that using gasless wire was an option >> for for it, long ago. That is all. > > Thanks, Harry, I'll give it a try. Working outdoors I've been spending a > fortune on gas. Do you realise just how expensive the gasless wire is though? Normal wire is about �3 per kg depending on how big a spool you buy. Gasless is more like �10 a kilo. I'm not sure how much gas one uses per kg of wire but I bet it's still cheaper than using gasless wire. Having said that my own little Mig is a gasless one but I only use it once in a blue moon. The reel of wire that's on it has been on it for 20 years now. The only "proper" job I ever did with it was to fix up a bunch of holes in a rotten Fiesta wheelarch which took a few feet of welding to stitch some new panels in and still didn't seem to use much of the wire on the spool. That was done outside and I got reasonably good results given I was primarily trying to weld new panels onto rust which kept blowing out and spitting at me. It all came out a bit pigeon crappy but a good coating of Hammerite masked most of it. In the workshop with two pieces of new steel plate I can get as good a weld with it as you'd ever want. I'd be interested in any data for gas consumption per kg of wire if anyone's measured it. Then I could do a proper comparison of costs. -- Dave Baker
From: T i m on 29 Jul 2010 05:08
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:06:44 +0100, "Dave Baker" <Null(a)null.com> wrote: >Do you realise just how expensive the gasless wire is though? Normal wire is >about �3 per kg depending on how big a spool you buy. Gasless is more like >�10 a kilo. > >I'm not sure how much gas one uses per kg of wire but I bet it's still >cheaper than using gasless wire. With hindsight I'd bet it wouldn't have been for me. ;-( Over the 14 or so years I've had my MIG (I had a SIP stick welder before that) I've probably used it in earnest once (at the beginning, building some 8 x 8 tri-fold workshop doors) but then that was why I bought it in the first place. In between then and now I've used it intermittently and at today's gas rates that's ~�700 I've paid just in bottle rental. At �50 / year it's one of those things where you (I) think "meh, I am planning on using it a bit soon, I think I'll keep it for another year .." when really I should have taken it back and rented it when I needed it again (and used the gasless!).[1] Part of the reason it's not been used more in between is partly down to having to drag it out and hook up the bottle and partly because of the things I /have/ done I've often done round mates where they also have bigger / better sets or vehicle lifts etc. ;-) > >Having said that my own little Mig is a gasless one but I only use it once >in a blue moon. The reel of wire that's on it has been on it for 20 years >now. The only "proper" job I ever did with it was to fix up a bunch of holes >in a rotten Fiesta wheelarch which took a few feet of welding to stitch some >new panels in and still didn't seem to use much of the wire on the spool. And that's also my thought re gasless >That was done outside and I got reasonably good results given I was >primarily trying to weld new panels onto rust which kept blowing out and >spitting at me. It all came out a bit pigeon crappy but a good coating of >Hammerite masked most of it. ;-) > >In the workshop with two pieces of new steel plate I can get as good a weld >with it as you'd ever want. That's good to know as well (and one of my 'concerns' re going gasless). > >I'd be interested in any data for gas consumption per kg of wire if anyone's >measured it. Then I could do a proper comparison of costs. I should imagine anyone welding regularly would just go for gas wouldn't they? I'm still considering getting a no-rental bottle for those jobs that may be better done with gas (assuming there is such a thing) but leaving the MIG setup for gasless most the time so I can just pick it up and go. Cheers, T i m [1] But I think BOC charge a (�20) 'handling fee' or some such when you refill bottles so it's even more expensive if you are only doing one bottle at a time. |