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From: PhilD on 26 Jul 2010 22:51 "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message news:nfSdnZAMrtMa2dPRnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... > Noddy wrote: >> "Marts" <marts(a)ymail.com> wrote in message >> news:fn1r46t7anqmeq195isdi3a8gkevlk9g7j(a)astraweb.com... >> >>> Members who live in places like Mildura or East Gippsland certainly can >>> justify >>> these sorts of cars, as they have long distances to travel. >>> >>> But not those who live in Melbourne, particularly inner Melbourne. >> >> Excuse my ignorance, but what difference does distance make to the kind >> of car one needs? > If driving long distances, I'd much rather drive a large car (eg falcon, > commodore, magna) than a small car. I find larger cars not as fatiguing > and smoother. They handle the wind off passing trucks much better too - > I've been in small cars that are positively scary when you pass an > oncoming truck. Modern fuel injected, aerodynamic large cars are pretty > good on fuel on highway runs too. For a long highway run, I'd say without > hesitation that a small car would be more dangerous than a large car. >> Each has advantages and disadvantages, but can't say that I ever felt unsafe as a direct result of being in a small car on a long trip. One particular situation where I've experienced an advantage being in a small one was on narrow country roads where more lane space has felt more comfortable. I guess you've never been on very narrow bitumen where 2 large cars passing have almost needed to rub mirror's or someone takes to the dirt. >> I'm not defending the pollies, and to be honest I hate the lot of them, >> but I would think their car "needs" would be no different to those of >> anyone else's. No one "needs" an XR6, but many might *want* one, and I >> can't see what difference it makes if it's Joe Public buying one with his >> own coin or some Pollie taking one from a list of availables as a public >> funded vehicle. > I don't see any reason why one should have an XR6 over a base model > falcon, A good performance car will allow shorter overtaking times, particularly with trucks and tourists with caravans, and even more so with road trains. Added benefits of likely better brakes and suspension don't go astray. It opens up a whole new range of places to overtake safely. > but I can sure see a reason why a regional polly should have a Falcon or > similar instead of a Getz or similar. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Noddy. > > > -- > What is the difference between a duck?
From: Bernd Felsche on 26 Jul 2010 23:03 Doug Jewell <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: >Noddy wrote: >> "Marts" <marts(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>> Members who live in places like Mildura or East Gippsland >>> certainly can justify these sorts of cars, as they have long >>> distances to travel. >>> But not those who live in Melbourne, particularly inner Melbourne. >> Excuse my ignorance, but what difference does distance make to >> the kind of car one needs? >If driving long distances, I'd much rather drive a large car >(eg falcon, commodore, magna) than a small car. I find >larger cars not as fatiguing and smoother. They handle the What sort of shirt-heaps have you been driving? >wind off passing trucks much better too - I've been in small >cars that are positively scary when you pass an oncoming >truck. Modern fuel injected, aerodynamic large cars are Not very well-designed small cars can have that effect. Cars designed predominately for city traffic. With low, relative passing speeds. I've driven on country highways in a 1987 Golf with trucks bearing "towards" me on the other side of the road at a nett closing speed of about 200 km/h and there's been nary a wiggle. No steering "correction" required. >pretty good on fuel on highway runs too. For a long highway >run, I'd say without hesitation that a small car would be >more dangerous than a large car. Seems like big-otry to me. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | For every complex problem there is an X against HTML mail | answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. / \ and postings | --HL Mencken
From: Noddy on 27 Jul 2010 00:30 "PhilD" <replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote in message news:IQr3o.1835$Yv.788(a)viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com... > Each has advantages and disadvantages, but can't say that I ever felt > unsafe as a direct result of being in a small car on a long trip. Me either. I drove my mum's little Getz from Melbourne to Sydney and back to look at a car, and I found it quite comfortable and relaxed. For mine it's more about how comfortable I am in the car and how well it can do it's job rather than what it is or how big it's engine may be. > A good performance car will allow shorter overtaking times, particularly > with trucks and tourists with caravans, and even more so with road trains. > Added benefits of likely better brakes and suspension don't go astray. It > opens up a whole new range of places to overtake safely. Possibly, but then if we're talking about the difference between an XR6 and a regular garden variety Falcon then the mag wheels and tacho aren't going to have a shitload of an impact :) My point was that it becomes a debate of "needs" versus "wants". 99% of the time most people only need a car with one seat, in which case they could get by with a moped. However, very few people would *want* to do that. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Scotty on 27 Jul 2010 02:22 "Milton" <millame23(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4c4d79b7$0$28647$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... : : "Atheist Chaplain" <abused(a)cia.gov> wrote in message : news:4c4d53dc$2(a)news.x-privat.org... : > : > "PHATRS" <stoptryingtosp(a)m.me> wrote in message : > news:i2j0o0$gls$1(a)news.albasani.net... : >> On 26/07/10 13:47, Trevor Wilson wrote: : >>> "PHATRS"<stoptryingtosp(a)m.me> wrote in message : >>> news:i2iv7j$f1h$1(a)news.albasani.net... : >>>> On 26/07/10 13:15, Trevor Wilson wrote: : >>>>> "Noddy"<Mission.Control(a)NASA.com> wrote in message : >>>>> news:4c4cf6fc$0$12395$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... : >>>>>> : >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson"<trevor(a)rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message : >>>>>> news:8b3tvvFn0tU1(a)mid.individual.net... : >>>>>> : >>>>>>> Let's see the Pollys place themselves into Diesels or Prius' BEFORE : >>>>>>> I : >>>>>>> am : >>>>>>> forced to trade up(?) to a new car. : >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> [Shakes head] : >>>>>> : >>>>>> As I understand it, Gillard's version of the "cash for clunkers" : >>>>>> scheme : >>>>>> is : >>>>>> an incentive, not compulsory, so I don't think anyone will be forcing : >>>>>> you : >>>>>> to do anything. : >>>>> : >>>>> **I agree. Part of point is that it is highly likely that my 'clunker' : >>>>> manages better fuel consumption than the PM's Com-Car. If pollies want : >>>>> us : >>>>> to : >>>>> invest in better fuel economy, then they should be driving around in : >>>>> Prius' : >>>>> (or is that Priii?) or a Diesel first. Those boats that most pollies : >>>>> tool : >>>>> around in are horrible consumers of fuel. : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>> : >>>> 'cept priiii aren't big enough for the fat cats. : >>> : >>> **Anyone too big to fit into a Prius won't be alive much longer. They : >>> should : >>> be walking anyway. : >>> : >>> : >> : >> My point was that Priiii are not big limo-like cars. Not big enough for : >> the egos of pollies. : > : > So what about a Lexus Hybrid SUV ?? : Or even a Camry Hybrid? : : Regards : : Milton : : or a FRICKEN BICYCLE!!!! Get those fat arsed Pollies fit. Or if they DO have to travel, enforce that they HAVE to take Public transport. Im sure that all trains, planes and buses will all be on time within 5 years of that happening.
From: PhilD on 27 Jul 2010 03:00
"Noddy" <Mission.Control(a)NASA.com> wrote in message news:4c4e60d5$0$12392$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... > > "PhilD" <replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote in message > news:IQr3o.1835$Yv.788(a)viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com... > >> Each has advantages and disadvantages, but can't say that I ever felt >> unsafe as a direct result of being in a small car on a long trip. > > Me either. > Although it was a long time ago, we did a trip from here out via Mt Isa/Townsville/Brisbane/Sydney/Canberra/Cooma/Thredbo/Alpine way in to Vic/Melbourne/Gt Ocean Rd/Grampians/Adealaide/Alice Darwin. There was just us and a 3 year old but we had a choice, take the Range Rover or the KA Laser. If we had taken the RR I would have to driven the whole way as the seating/driving position wasn't something my wife could handle as she's rather small. Apart from a couple of steep decents that the Lasers brakes were slightly inadequate for there was nothing in the trip that was unduly stressfull on either the car or us and there were no regrets that we missed out on anything by not having a 4x4 and more room. The Adelaide to Darwin stretch was done in just 2 days with a fair amount of night driving, at reduced speed, but we never had any animal incidents and was quite boring really. When you consider the lack of luxury that a KA Laser has I would expect that any fairly new small vehicle would be a dream on a long trip. We recently bought my wife a new Honda Jazz and except for the ride quality that I find a little strange and can't quite pin down, it would do any similar trip with ease. > I drove my mum's little Getz from Melbourne to Sydney and back to look at > a car, and I found it quite comfortable and relaxed. For mine it's more > about how comfortable I am in the car and how well it can do it's job > rather than what it is or how big it's engine may be. > >> A good performance car will allow shorter overtaking times, particularly >> with trucks and tourists with caravans, and even more so with road >> trains. Added benefits of likely better brakes and suspension don't go >> astray. It opens up a whole new range of places to overtake safely. > > Possibly, but then if we're talking about the difference between an XR6 > and a regular garden variety Falcon then the mag wheels and tacho aren't > going to have a shitload of an impact :) > Don't the badges count for anything? > My point was that it becomes a debate of "needs" versus "wants". 99% of > the time most people only need a car with one seat, in which case they > could get by with a moped. However, very few people would *want* to do > that. > My "wants" are many but are generally over-ridden by real "needs" or SHMBO, whichever is most vocal. My choice of the BF MkII RTV ute with tipper tray was the subject of gentle ribbing until the Jazz arrived and cost more. No more is said about my "toy". She's already offered to let me drive the Jazz to Adelaide in a couple of months, alone, but I'd never hear the end of it if I were to hit a roo etc. PhilD |