From: Ivor Jones on


"Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:21:00 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:0-qdneAJzPfP43rZRVnyrg(a)bt.com
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're
> > > > > wrong. Which you are.
> > > >
> > > > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know
> > > > whether I'm right or wrong.
> > >
> > > I'm referring only to this conversation, in which your
> > > stance is wrong.
> >
> > Unless you know me, you cannot begin to know whether my
> > stance is wrong or not. Which it isn't.
>
> Knowing you makes not the slightest bit of difference.

Correct. I am not a European.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on


"Rob Morley" <nospam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4kpctuFda1vnU1(a)individual.net>
> Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're
> > > wrong. Which you are.
> >
> > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know
> > whether I'm right or wrong.
> >
> So if I say
> 2 + 2 = 5 (decimal arithmetic)
> you can't tell me I'm wrong because you don't know me?

Now you're resorting to invalid comparisons. Don't go there, it does
nothing to further your argument.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on


"Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:08:11 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're
> > > wrong. Which you are.
> >
> > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know
> > whether I'm right or wrong.
> >
>
> We do not need to know you at all.

You do if you are to *understand* why you're wrong. Of course that doesn't
matter, you're still wrong.

> You are either lying about being English, or you are
> simply wrong about being European.

No I am not.

Ivor


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"Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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[snip]

> I do wish you would stop trying to redefine the English
> language to fit in with your prejudices.

I just wish you'd stop calling me what I am not.

> > > You still haven't said whether you recognise the terms
> > > American, Asian, African or Australian.
> >
> > That's not relevant.
>
> Of course it is.

Wrong.

> If you recognise those words as having meaning, then you
> must recognise "European" as having meaning.

It can have all the meaning it likes, but none of them apply to me.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on
"Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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[snip]

> Your *country* is England, but your *nationality* is
> British.
>
> Nationality is based on your *nation* not your *country*
> (although with many of the nations in the world, they are
> the same thing).

They are the same thing.

> But nobody has ever suggested that European is your
> nationality. It isn't, and it can't be, unless and until
> a nation of Europe comes into existence.

We agree about one thing anyway.

> But the fact that "European" is not your nationality does
> NOT mean you are not European.

Yes it does.

Ivor