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From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 03:09 "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:0pefe2l17oo5i36d2krhtrp9r77b1re3cm(a)4ax.com > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:21:00 +0100, "Ivor Jones" > <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:0-qdneAJzPfP43rZRVnyrg(a)bt.com > > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're > > > > > wrong. Which you are. > > > > > > > > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know > > > > whether I'm right or wrong. > > > > > > I'm referring only to this conversation, in which your > > > stance is wrong. > > > > Unless you know me, you cannot begin to know whether my > > stance is wrong or not. Which it isn't. > > Knowing you makes not the slightest bit of difference. Correct. I am not a European. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 03:10 "Rob Morley" <nospam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1f51b68a94c8c05598a59b(a)news.individual.net > In article <4kpctuFda1vnU1(a)individual.net> > Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're > > > wrong. Which you are. > > > > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know > > whether I'm right or wrong. > > > So if I say > 2 + 2 = 5 (decimal arithmetic) > you can't tell me I'm wrong because you don't know me? Now you're resorting to invalid comparisons. Don't go there, it does nothing to further your argument. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 03:12 "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:5nefe2tm3dtlaqu1jk9ckejvi6qoelvru8(a)4ax.com > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:08:11 +0100, "Ivor Jones" > <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're > > > wrong. Which you are. > > > > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know > > whether I'm right or wrong. > > > > We do not need to know you at all. You do if you are to *understand* why you're wrong. Of course that doesn't matter, you're still wrong. > You are either lying about being English, or you are > simply wrong about being European. No I am not. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 03:13 "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:faefe21fjvfek444cblnf9urtatn4neh02(a)4ax.com [snip] > I do wish you would stop trying to redefine the English > language to fit in with your prejudices. I just wish you'd stop calling me what I am not. > > > You still haven't said whether you recognise the terms > > > American, Asian, African or Australian. > > > > That's not relevant. > > Of course it is. Wrong. > If you recognise those words as having meaning, then you > must recognise "European" as having meaning. It can have all the meaning it likes, but none of them apply to me. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 03:15
"Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:vqefe2hc0mm661kq3uscc1sb5h4m6q834v(a)4ax.com [snip] > Your *country* is England, but your *nationality* is > British. > > Nationality is based on your *nation* not your *country* > (although with many of the nations in the world, they are > the same thing). They are the same thing. > But nobody has ever suggested that European is your > nationality. It isn't, and it can't be, unless and until > a nation of Europe comes into existence. We agree about one thing anyway. > But the fact that "European" is not your nationality does > NOT mean you are not European. Yes it does. Ivor |