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From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 03:22 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MOOdnZ5Umu0WkXXZRVnyrw(a)bt.com > Ivor Jones wrote: > > "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > > news:vqefe2hc0mm661kq3uscc1sb5h4m6q834v(a)4ax.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > Your *country* is England, but your *nationality* is > > > British. > > > > > > Nationality is based on your *nation* not your > > > *country* (although with many of the nations in the > > > world, they are the same thing). > > > > They are the same thing. > > Wrong. Not in this case. > > > > > But nobody has ever suggested that European is your > > > nationality. It isn't, and it can't be, unless and > > > until a nation of Europe comes into existence. > > > > We agree about one thing anyway. > > > > > But the fact that "European" is not your nationality > > > does NOT mean you are not European. > > > > Yes it does. > > No it doesn't, unless your perception of the world stops > at your front door. I don't care about the world (well not in that context). The entire world can call itself what it likes, it has *NO* right to call *me* what I am not. Ivor
From: Mike on 20 Aug 2006 03:27 Can this please be taken to email and stop cluttering up uk.local.hampshire Mike -- -------------------------------------- Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kqgteFdbab9U1(a)individual.net... > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:MOOdnZ5Umu0WkXXZRVnyrw(a)bt.com > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > > > news:vqefe2hc0mm661kq3uscc1sb5h4m6q834v(a)4ax.com > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Your *country* is England, but your *nationality* is > > > > British. > > > > > > > > Nationality is based on your *nation* not your > > > > *country* (although with many of the nations in the > > > > world, they are the same thing). > > > > > > They are the same thing. > > > > Wrong. > > Not in this case. > > > > > > > > But nobody has ever suggested that European is your > > > > nationality. It isn't, and it can't be, unless and > > > > until a nation of Europe comes into existence. > > > > > > We agree about one thing anyway. > > > > > > > But the fact that "European" is not your nationality > > > > does NOT mean you are not European. > > > > > > Yes it does. > > > > No it doesn't, unless your perception of the world stops > > at your front door. > > I don't care about the world (well not in that context). The entire world > can call itself what it likes, it has *NO* right to call *me* what I am > not. > > Ivor > >
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 03:50 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:b4-dnS-No5wylXXZRVnyvw(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:Zo2dnazyZaXfD3rZRVnyjQ(a)bt.com >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:GaWdnRiFM52yGHrZRVny2g(a)bt.com >>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> news:J_CdnS2fedU943rZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d(a)bt.com [snip] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you object to being defined as a human >>>>>>>> male? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I object to others deciding what I am. >>>>>> >>>>>> Others decided you are a human male. >>>>> >>>>> Oh yes, who..? I was unaware it was possible to >>>>> choose the gender of a child in the 50's. >>>> >>>> But it's what other people define you as. >>> >>> Hmm. I didn't think my mother and father looked at me >>> and said "we've had a European" >> >> No, they probably said, "We've had a baby boy". True or >> False? > > Exactly. Therefore what you are was defined by someone else. > But I am still not a European. Yes you are, but it has nothing to do with nationality.
From: Adrian on 20 Aug 2006 05:10 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> > > Or is this just a personal thing, and you somehow >> > > opted out? >> > I was never asked to opt in. >> Hadn't you had your 18th birthday by 5th June 1975? > Irrelevant. Actually, no, it isn't - because if you were old enough to vote by then, you DID get asked.
From: Adrian on 20 Aug 2006 05:12
Alex Heney (me8(a)privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>> So you don't believe there is such a thing as an American >>Poor example, seeing as there's a country called America. > Where is that then? Straight on at Ireland. > I'm not aware of one. > > I suspect the country you are thinking of is the country called "The > United States of America". Commonly referred to as America - and residents of said country being known as "United Statesians?" |