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From: Richard Brookman on 20 Aug 2006 07:24 Ivor Jones wrote: || "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message || news:faefe21fjvfek444cblnf9urtatn4neh02(a)4ax.com || || [snip] || ||| I do wish you would stop trying to redefine the English ||| language to fit in with your prejudices. || || I just wish you'd stop calling me what I am not. || ||||| You still haven't said whether you recognise the terms ||||| American, Asian, African or Australian. |||| |||| That's not relevant. ||| ||| Of course it is. || || Wrong. || ||| If you recognise those words as having meaning, then you ||| must recognise "European" as having meaning. || || It can have all the meaning it likes, but none of them apply to me. || || Ivor OK, Ivor - in one sentence, how would you define the word "European"? That it is a word, and that it has a meaning, there is no doubt. Your understanding of what it means might help to clarify things somewhat. -- Rich ============================== Take out the obvious to email me.
From: Rob Morley on 20 Aug 2006 07:27 In article <4kqg7tFd4q4fU1(a)individual.net> Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > > "Rob Morley" <nospam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.1f51b68a94c8c05598a59b(a)news.individual.net > > In article <4kpctuFda1vnU1(a)individual.net> > > Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:ReOdnUU-DIik4HrZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Standing by your principles is good, unless you're > > > > wrong. Which you are. > > > > > > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know > > > whether I'm right or wrong. > > > > > So if I say > > 2 + 2 = 5 (decimal arithmetic) > > you can't tell me I'm wrong because you don't know me? > > Now you're resorting to invalid comparisons. Don't go there, it does > nothing to further your argument. > It's not my argument it's yours, and you're doing a singularly poor job of making it. Maybe if you told us the specific mental impairment from which you suffer then others would find it easier to see things from your point of view.
From: Paul {Hamilton Rooney} on 20 Aug 2006 07:28 On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:30:45 +0000 (UTC), Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >In uk.rec.cycling Richard Brookman <richard.brookmanpants(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> Chris Malcolm wrote: > >> || In uk.rec.cycling Paul {Hamilton Rooney} <craig(a)oil.com> wrote: >> || >> ||||| It has become accepted usage. That is how languages evolve. >> |||| >> |||| So? >> || >> ||| Usage is king. There's no other criterion of right and wrong where >> ||| language is concerned. How could there be? >> || >> || It couldn't be. Were usage the only criterion, there would be no >> || change. > >> You're wrong, Paul's right. All languages (except dead ones like Latin and >> Ancient Greek) change all the time, and it's the usage that's changing. How >> could it be any other way? We don't wait for the OED to "officially" change >> the meaning of a word and then all fall into line and start using it. It's >> the other way round. > >If usage is what makes a usage right, and usage changes, then there >must have been a period where some users were using a wrong usage >which hadn't yet been sanctioned by enough usage to become a right >usage. Those users must therefore have been using some other criterion >of appropriate usage than rightness as defined by enough >usage. Non sequitur. Why would they be using any criterion at all? They were just using a word in a new and as yet unaccepted way. >Whatever that criterion was that pushed them into what was to >begin with a wrong usage must therefore have influenced what later >became correct usage. Therefore what is currently correct usage as >defined by enough usage must in turn have originally derived from >other criterion. As above. -- Paul Rooney "Rooney is one of these vandals and has done his utmost to help trash dl and the other groups which he regularly crossposts to. He's created a false FAQ and charter" (Chris Lawrence in uk.rec.walking) "Also long time d.l. reader but never feel robust enough to post much, especially since Rooney wrecked the group." (Rachel Sullivan in uk.rec.walking) "Low life scum doesn't even begin to describe you. You are the most loathsome individual ever to cross the threshold of d.l." (JK in demon.local)
From: David Taylor on 20 Aug 2006 07:25 On 2006-08-20, Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:jrdfe25dif8pan465o93nc18qb5jbdr30s(a)4ax.com >> >> He just wrongly believes that somebody who is English is >> not also European. > > Not wrongly. It's simple logic. Just like all cats are mammals: All people born in the country of England were also born on the continent of Europe. The meaning of the word "European" in the English language includes the meaning "Born in Europe". Thus, anyone who describes you as "European" is correct. You may dislike them for describing you like that, but you can't say they're wrong. If you wish, sue me for libel and you can see if a court thinks you can be accurately described as European. Note also that I'm not trying to "define" you, merely describe you. -- David Taylor
From: Paul {Hamilton Rooney} on 20 Aug 2006 07:52
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:18:59 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor <davidt-news(a)yadt.co.uk> wrote: >On 2006-08-20, Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: >> "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message >> news:ro9fe2lft5h14ol1jqc4ddhf06c1o5ie4r(a)4ax.com >> >>> Could it be that you are "defined" even better by the >>> phrase "illiterate fuckwit"? >> >> Ah, the foul language argument again. >> >> Do you still not get it..? As soon as you start swearing to make your >> point, you immediately become completely and totally wrong, even if you >> weren't to start with. >> >> You were, but it's irrelevant now, you have just made me right. > >You are not a European, you illiterate fuckwit. > >Damn, now I've "immediately become completely and totally wrong". >So what does that leave you as? Ha ha! Good tactic! -- Paul Rooney "Rooney is one of these vandals and has done his utmost to help trash dl and the other groups which he regularly crossposts to. He's created a false FAQ and charter" (Chris Lawrence in uk.rec.walking) "Also long time d.l. reader but never feel robust enough to post much, especially since Rooney wrecked the group." (Rachel Sullivan in uk.rec.walking) "Low life scum doesn't even begin to describe you. You are the most loathsome individual ever to cross the threshold of d.l." (JK in demon.local) |