From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_bGdnY2NRYF6DXXZnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d(a)bt.com
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>>>> Why does someone from Pakistan consider being
>>>>> called a "Paki" an insult..?
>>>>
>>>> They don't, mmany use it to describe themsleves and/or
>>>> their businesses.
>>>
>>> Hmm. I work with several and none of them consider it
>>> acceptable.
>>
>> When coupled with other words intended to be insulting
>> then I would agree. Howevr, when simply used as an
>> abbreviation of Pakistani then how can it be an insult?
>
> I don't know, you'd have to ask the individuals concerned. However I
> respect their wishes even if I don't understand them. Why can't you
> do the same..?

Do they also object to being described as Pakistanis or as Asians?


From: Ivor Jones on


"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xo6dndjQR5ekD3XZRVnyjA(a)bt.com
> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:rJqdncf3saS5EnXZRVnyig(a)bt.com
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:4KudnezT37GKEXXZnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d(a)bt.com
> > > > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > message news:49WdnQksSL0VFHXZRVny1Q(a)bt.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What insult is being levelled at you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You know perfectly well. Answer the question.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we knew why you consider being a European an
> > > > > insult we might be able to understand.
> > > >
> > > > You don't have to understand.
>
> How do you know what my intellectual needs are?

You seem incapable of caring what my needs are, why should I worry about
yours..?

> > > A refusal to understand other people is why there is
> > > conflict in the world.
> >
> > Precisely. You are refusing to understand that it is
> > irrelevant why I don't wish to be called a European.
> > The fact that I don't should be enough.
>
> Try providing some supporting information.

The last line above what you just said is all I'm going to say.


> > > As said before, the individual's wishes have no
> > > bearing on the matter.
> >
> > They do to anyone with a speck of humanity.
>
> Since there is an awful lot that happens to us outwith
> our wishes, humanity has nothing to do with it.

It has *everything* to do with it.

I have asked you to please stop calling me what I do not wish to be
called. That should be enough, regardless of your personal opinion.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on


"Richard Brookman"
<THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:4kri08FdfjjmU1(a)individual.net

[snip]

> I have never insulted you.

By calling me a European you have.

> You are saying you live in
> England, but not in Europe? Is that it?

Not at all. I have said I am not a European. That is it.

If you have any respect whatsoever for others, you should understand that
and abide by it.

Ivor


From: PC Paul on
Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> I have asked you to please stop calling me what I do not wish to be
> called. That should be enough, regardless of your personal opinion.


I am now asking you to stop denying that someone who is English is also
European.

That should be enough, regardless of your personal opinion.


From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xo6dndjQR5ekD3XZRVnyjA(a)bt.com
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:rJqdncf3saS5EnXZRVnyig(a)bt.com
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4KudnezT37GKEXXZnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d(a)bt.com
>>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:49WdnQksSL0VFHXZRVny1Q(a)bt.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What insult is being levelled at you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know perfectly well. Answer the question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we knew why you consider being a European an
>>>>>> insult we might be able to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have to understand.
>>
>> How do you know what my intellectual needs are?
>
> You seem incapable of caring what my needs are, why should I worry
> about yours..?

What needs have you that I can do something about?

>
>>>> A refusal to understand other people is why there is
>>>> conflict in the world.
>>>
>>> Precisely. You are refusing to understand that it is
>>> irrelevant why I don't wish to be called a European.
>>> The fact that I don't should be enough.
>>
>> Try providing some supporting information.
>
> The last line above what you just said is all I'm going to say.

In which case, until you give a sound reason why we should not consider and
describe you as a European that's what you'll be.