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From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 12:49 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:_bGdnY2NRYF6DXXZnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: > > [snip] > >>>>> Why does someone from Pakistan consider being >>>>> called a "Paki" an insult..? >>>> >>>> They don't, mmany use it to describe themsleves and/or >>>> their businesses. >>> >>> Hmm. I work with several and none of them consider it >>> acceptable. >> >> When coupled with other words intended to be insulting >> then I would agree. Howevr, when simply used as an >> abbreviation of Pakistani then how can it be an insult? > > I don't know, you'd have to ask the individuals concerned. However I > respect their wishes even if I don't understand them. Why can't you > do the same..? Do they also object to being described as Pakistanis or as Asians?
From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 12:50 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:xo6dndjQR5ekD3XZRVnyjA(a)bt.com > Ivor Jones wrote: > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:rJqdncf3saS5EnXZRVnyig(a)bt.com > > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4KudnezT37GKEXXZnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > > > message news:49WdnQksSL0VFHXZRVny1Q(a)bt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > What insult is being levelled at you? > > > > > > > > > > > > You know perfectly well. Answer the question. > > > > > > > > > > If we knew why you consider being a European an > > > > > insult we might be able to understand. > > > > > > > > You don't have to understand. > > How do you know what my intellectual needs are? You seem incapable of caring what my needs are, why should I worry about yours..? > > > A refusal to understand other people is why there is > > > conflict in the world. > > > > Precisely. You are refusing to understand that it is > > irrelevant why I don't wish to be called a European. > > The fact that I don't should be enough. > > Try providing some supporting information. The last line above what you just said is all I'm going to say. > > > As said before, the individual's wishes have no > > > bearing on the matter. > > > > They do to anyone with a speck of humanity. > > Since there is an awful lot that happens to us outwith > our wishes, humanity has nothing to do with it. It has *everything* to do with it. I have asked you to please stop calling me what I do not wish to be called. That should be enough, regardless of your personal opinion. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 20 Aug 2006 12:51 "Richard Brookman" <THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:4kri08FdfjjmU1(a)individual.net [snip] > I have never insulted you. By calling me a European you have. > You are saying you live in > England, but not in Europe? Is that it? Not at all. I have said I am not a European. That is it. If you have any respect whatsoever for others, you should understand that and abide by it. Ivor
From: PC Paul on 20 Aug 2006 12:53 Ivor Jones wrote: > > I have asked you to please stop calling me what I do not wish to be > called. That should be enough, regardless of your personal opinion. I am now asking you to stop denying that someone who is English is also European. That should be enough, regardless of your personal opinion.
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 12:54
Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:xo6dndjQR5ekD3XZRVnyjA(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:rJqdncf3saS5EnXZRVnyig(a)bt.com >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4KudnezT37GKEXXZnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d(a)bt.com >>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:49WdnQksSL0VFHXZRVny1Q(a)bt.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What insult is being levelled at you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You know perfectly well. Answer the question. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we knew why you consider being a European an >>>>>> insult we might be able to understand. >>>>> >>>>> You don't have to understand. >> >> How do you know what my intellectual needs are? > > You seem incapable of caring what my needs are, why should I worry > about yours..? What needs have you that I can do something about? > >>>> A refusal to understand other people is why there is >>>> conflict in the world. >>> >>> Precisely. You are refusing to understand that it is >>> irrelevant why I don't wish to be called a European. >>> The fact that I don't should be enough. >> >> Try providing some supporting information. > > The last line above what you just said is all I'm going to say. In which case, until you give a sound reason why we should not consider and describe you as a European that's what you'll be. |