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From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 17:39 Anonyma wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:tNadnRQpTshcI3XZRVnyjw(a)bt.com >> Mark Foster wrote: >>> In article <fNydnVKWru_wMnXZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:14mdnavQzPrDNXXZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com >>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>>> How..? Let's say that two white males are >>>>>>> walking along the street in front of you. Brown >>>>>>> hair, blue or brown eyes, say 6ft tall. Both >>>>>>> dressed in the usual jeans/t-shirt or whatever. >>>>>>> Neither speak or do anything at all. How can >>>>>>> you tell their origin..? >>>>>> >>>>>> They're both European. >>>>> >>>>> Why might they not be American or Australian..? I >>>>> personally know two Americans that fit that >>>>> description. >>>> >>>> However, their lineage is European, the same as yours. >>> >>> Wrong! If you're going to start down that road then >>> their lineage is ultimately African, the same as all of >>> us. >>> >>> Just for the record, like Ivor, I am not European >>> either. Personally, I consider myself to be English. >> >> I also also consider myself English, but I'm still >> British and European. > > So you're three things at once? How clever of you. > > Personally I have no axe to grind either way, but as a > gentleman I would do as Ivor asks. That's your choice. He chose to make a big thing about "not being a European" and some are interested in why that's the case when, according to the evidence to hand, he is..
From: Mark Foster on 20 Aug 2006 17:49 In article <tNadnRQpTshcI3XZRVnyjw(a)bt.com>, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Mark Foster wrote: > > In article <fNydnVKWru_wMnXZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Ivor Jones wrote: > >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> news:14mdnavQzPrDNXXZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com > >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>> > >>>>> How..? Let's say that two white males are walking along > >>>>> the street in front of you. Brown hair, blue or brown > >>>>> eyes, say 6ft tall. Both dressed in the usual > >>>>> jeans/t-shirt or whatever. Neither speak or do anything > >>>>> at all. How can you tell their origin..? > >>>> > >>>> They're both European. > >>> > >>> Why might they not be American or Australian..? I personally know > >>> two Americans that fit that description. > >> > >> However, their lineage is European, the same as yours. > > > > Wrong! If you're going to start down that road then their lineage is > > ultimately African, the same as all of us. > > > > Just for the record, like Ivor, I am not European either. Personally, > > I consider myself to be English. > > I also also consider myself English, but I'm still British and European. Why don't you consider yourself African? -- "There are no such useless words as...'I didn't have a chance.'" [Driving, HMSO]
From: Alex Heney on 20 Aug 2006 18:05 On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:54:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > >"SteveH" <steve(a)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message >news:1hkcfn2.a7jvmgfuppvdN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk >> Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: >> >> > "SteveH" <steve(a)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message >> > news:1hkcepy.10r20dn12tbwjvN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> > > It appears that it's not a game of 20 questions, it's >> > > just that Ivor prefers the 'La, La, La, I'm not >> > > listening' approach to European politics rather than >> > > admitting to the facts as placed in front of him. >> > >> > There is only one fact that matters. I am not a >> > European. That will remain a fact long after you get >> > fed up with trying to tell me I am one. >> >> OK, how about an explanation, then? > >I've explained in several posts. > You have never explained it except by stating falsehoods (such as stating that you can only be a "native" of a "country"). -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Know what I hate? I hate rhetorical questions! To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
From: Alex Heney on 20 Aug 2006 18:07 On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:04:03 +0100, "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > >"Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >news:jrdfe25dif8pan465o93nc18qb5jbdr30s(a)4ax.com >> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:15:15 +0100, "Richard Brookman" >> <THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> > SteveH wrote: >> > >> > > > Unless you have some strange passport from the >> > > > Falklands or something. -- >> > >> > I can see this ending in a revelation that no-one has >> > thought of, like he was born on the polar ice-cap or >> > something. I wondered if your guess on the Falklands >> > might have been it. But no - the game of 20 questions >> > continues. >> > >> > You're Adolf Hitler? - Wrong. >> > OK, you're Superman? - Wrong. >> > >> > And so on ... >> >> No, he is English. >> >> He just wrongly believes that somebody who is English is >> not also European. > >Not wrongly. > >> And if everybody else in the entire world were to tell >> him, he would *still* insist that it was everybody else >> who was wrong. > >Correct. > >> It is odd, because if you get him away from issues >> surrounding nationality, statehood, Europe, etc. he >> appears to be intelligent, and can have a reasonable >> conversation. > >Thankyou. > >> But in those areas, he comes across as a gibbering idiot >> :-( > >Not at all. It's not my fault if I'm not what you say I am. > It wouldn't be your fault if that happened. But it hasn't. And your "correct" above just proves my point about your attitude ion this subject. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager In /dev/null no one can hear you scream... To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
From: Alex Heney on 20 Aug 2006 18:15
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:59:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: > > >"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:n-mdnbYJSfHDGXXZRVnyiQ(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >> > "mattic" <this(a)wontwork.com> wrote in message >> > news:VmWFg.14944$rP1.1997(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au >> > >> > [rest of long post snipped] >> > >> > > But, as far as where you live, Ivor, that's >> > > Europe, mate, >> > >> > (a) no it isn't, it's England >> > >> > (b) you're not my mate. No mate of mine would insult me >> > over and over and over again despite my asking them not >> > to. >> >> It would appear that Mr Jones' difficulty with language >> is not confined to his ethnic origins. > >I have no difficulty with language at all. You do have difficulty with certain aspects of the English language, because you utterly refuse to accept that the meaning of some words can be valid. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager I didn't cheat, I just changed the Rules! To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom |