From: Alex Heney on
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:08:57 GMT, "mattic" <this(a)wontwork.com> wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4krfrbFcha8gU1(a)individual.net...
>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fvGdnUIQwfouFXXZRVnyjA(a)bt.com
>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> > I have no difficulty with language at all. Merely the
>>> > fact that a certain group of people have taken it upon
>>> > themselves to insult me over and over again and then
>>> > wonder why I defend myself.
>>>
>>> How have these people insulted you?
>>
>> You know perfectly well how. By calling me what I am *NOT*
>>
>> I don't particularly care if you understand *why* I consider being called
>> what I am not an insult or not. The fact that I have told you repeatedly
>> that I do and you persist even after this says everything I need to know
>> about you.
>>
>> If you had the slightest streak of decency in you, you would respect my
>> wishes, whether you agree with them or not.
>
>Youe wishes don't make sense. Help me to understand.
>

He can't.

He must realise he is being totally irrational, because he obviously
knows he cannot ever make anybody else understand, so he never tries.
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From: Brimstone on
Mark Foster wrote:
> In article <tNadnRQpTshcI3XZRVnyjw(a)bt.com>,
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Foster wrote:
>>> In article <fNydnVKWru_wMnXZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com>,
>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:14mdnavQzPrDNXXZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com
>>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> How..? Let's say that two white males are walking along
>>>>>>> the street in front of you. Brown hair, blue or brown
>>>>>>> eyes, say 6ft tall. Both dressed in the usual
>>>>>>> jeans/t-shirt or whatever. Neither speak or do anything
>>>>>>> at all. How can you tell their origin..?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're both European.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why might they not be American or Australian..? I personally know
>>>>> two Americans that fit that description.
>>>>
>>>> However, their lineage is European, the same as yours.
>>>
>>> Wrong! If you're going to start down that road then their lineage is
>>> ultimately African, the same as all of us.
>>>
>>> Just for the record, like Ivor, I am not European either.
>>> Personally, I consider myself to be English.
>>
>> I also also consider myself English, but I'm still British and
>> European.
>
> Why don't you consider yourself African?

Because there is nothing about my physical or cultural make up to suggest
that I am African.


From: Alex Heney on
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:07:12 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:

>"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message
>news:ro9fe2lft5h14ol1jqc4ddhf06c1o5ie4r(a)4ax.com
>
>[snip]
>
>> Could it be that you are "defined" even better by the
>> phrase "illiterate fuckwit"?
>
>Ah, the foul language argument again.
>
>Do you still not get it..? As soon as you start swearing to make your
>point, you immediately become completely and totally wrong, even if you
>weren't to start with.
>

That statement is totally, utterly wrong.

The language used does not alter the validity of the point AT ALL.

Incidentally, most people would not consider the word "fuckwit" to be
swearing, even though the first four letters by themselves would be a
swear word.

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From: Alex Heney on
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:48:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:

>"David Taylor" <davidt-news(a)yadt.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:slrneegh6b.1l0t.davidt-news(a)outcold.yadt.co.uk
>> On 2006-08-19, Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
>> > "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message
>> > news:i52fe2t9plfp42522stpqjlaideamn0325(a)4ax.com
>> > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:00:07 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> > > <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Wrong. My parents have nothing to do with it,
>> > > > neither does a continent. I am defined by my
>> > > > country of birth, and nothing, repeat *NOTHING*
>> > > > else.
>> > >
>> > > So even the "Ivor Jones" bit is redundant?
>> >
>> > How is my name relevant to my nationality..?
>>
>> How is your nationality relevant to this thread?
>>
>> For clarity: No one is claiming your nationality is
>> "European".
>
>That's exactly what you're doing.

No it isn't.

NOBODY has claimed that at any time.

Which is hardly surprising. there is no "nation" of Europe, so there
cannot be a nationality of European.


But there is a geographical place called Europe. So you can be a
native of Europe.

And a native of Europe is a european, whether they like it or not.
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From: Alex Heney on
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:30:40 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>"Richard Brookman"
><THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote in
>message news:4krk9eFdhe7sU1(a)individual.net
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>> > > "Richard Brookman"
>> > > <THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote in
>> > > message news:4krhg2Fdc7inU1(a)individual.net
>> > > > Brimstone wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > Your ethnic origin is at the crux of this
>> > > > > > conversation and is something that everyone can
>> > > > > > see when meeting you face to face.
>> > > >
>> > > > Please don't give him another category to start
>> > > > denying things. European is not a race nor an
>> > > > ethnic group, it describes a geographical area. His ethnic origin
>> > > > (assuming he is white Essex boy
>> > > > with Welsh ancestry, although I stand to be
>> > > > corrected on that) is Caucasian. He's still a
>> > > > European, geographically speaking.
>> > >
>> > > Wrong.
>> > >
>> > > Ivor
>>
>> What have I said in the above post that is factually
>> incorrect?
>
>You have said I am a European. That is factually incorrect.
>
>The fact that *you* don't understand *why* it is incorrect is neither here
>nor there.

The fact that *you* don't understand *why* (you think) it is incorrect
is presumably also irrelevant.

Actually, you seem to think that anything which might explain why you
think that way is irrelevant.
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