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From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 03:21 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > I am still not a European and you will never make me one. "You'll never take me alive, Froggie-and-Kraut-lover!" <brandishes Wurrrld Cup leftover ChavFlag of St George, copy of Daily Wail>
From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 03:23 Alex Heney (me8(a)privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>> For clarity: No one is claiming your nationality is >>> "European". >>That's exactly what you're doing. > No it isn't. > > NOBODY has claimed that at any time. > > Which is hardly surprising. there is no "nation" of Europe, so there > cannot be a nationality of European. > > But there is a geographical place called Europe. So you can be a > native of Europe. > > And a native of Europe is a european, whether they like it or not. As is a national of a country within that geopolitical entity called "Europe", even if they temporarily reside elsewhere.
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 03:26 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:qKSdnUYXy43HynTZnZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4ksbd0Fd6cjpU4(a)individual.net... > > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:XbqdndHArPPGXnXZRVnytg(a)bt.com > > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:mq6dnQFcQcnfInXZnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > > > message news:z76dnc5GefPmKXXZRVnyjA(a)bt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you not want to be called something > > > > > > > that you are? > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I am not what you believe me to be. > > > > > > > > > > What do you believe I believe you to be? > > > > > > > > A European, of course. But then you knew that. > > > > > > So if you're not European, from which continent or > > > other geographic region of the world do your forebears > > > originate? > > > > Irrelevant. Whether they are or were European or not > > does not mean I am. > > Wrong, you can't be anything other than what your parents > were. Don't be so daft. You have already been proven wrong by others on that particular theme. Everyone is an individual. > > You may think otherwise, but you'd be wrong. > > How so? You've been told already. > > Once again, I ask you to have respect for my wishes and > > beliefs. Show that you have *some* regard for others. > > Stop treating the rest of us as idiots and I'm sure there > will be reciprication. You first. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 03:29 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1NGdncTbRud8xHTZRVnyrA(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4ksbd3Fd6cjpU16(a)individual.net... > > > > > > "mattic" <this(a)wontwork.com> wrote in message > > news:YW5Gg.15205$rP1.5395(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au > > > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > > > news:4krnqfFddtn2U2(a)individual.net... > > > > > > > > > > > It is perfectly possible to live in Europe without > > > > being a European. > > > > > > Will you concede that, in some circumstances, a simple > > > geographical description, for instance, the > > > description of European describes everyone who lives > > > in Europe? > > > > Yes, if the person concerned agrees. > > > > Otherwise, no. > > Does someone have to agree the colour of their hair > before it becomes fact (putting aside people who choose > to change their hair colour)? Why put them aside..? It is an individual's choice to be called or not to be called what they want/don't want to be. Whether you like it or not, respect them. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 03:30
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8LidnaFbDoesx3TZRVnyhA(a)bt.com [snip] > It's got nothing to do with likes and dislikes, it's a > simple matter of what is or is not. And who decides what is or is not..? You..? I don't think so. *I* decide as far as I'm concerned. Ivor |