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From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 03:51 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1NGdncTbRud8xHTZRVnyrA(a)bt.com >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >> news:4ksbd3Fd6cjpU16(a)individual.net... >>> >>> >>> "mattic" <this(a)wontwork.com> wrote in message >>> news:YW5Gg.15205$rP1.5395(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au >>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:4krnqfFddtn2U2(a)individual.net... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is perfectly possible to live in Europe without >>>>> being a European. >>>> >>>> Will you concede that, in some circumstances, a simple >>>> geographical description, for instance, the >>>> description of European describes everyone who lives >>>> in Europe? >>> >>> Yes, if the person concerned agrees. >>> >>> Otherwise, no. >> >> Does someone have to agree the colour of their hair >> before it becomes fact (putting aside people who choose >> to change their hair colour)? > > Why put them aside..? > > It is an individual's choice to be called or not to be called what > they want/don't want to be. Whether you like it or not, respect them. To be called something is one thing, to deny what they are is something quite different. You are denying being a European, despite evidence to the contrary.
From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 03:52 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:8LidnaFbDoesx3TZRVnyhA(a)bt.com > > [snip] > >> It's got nothing to do with likes and dislikes, it's a >> simple matter of what is or is not. > > And who decides what is or is not..? You..? I don't think so. It determined at birth, if not before. It is not a matter of choice or decision. > > *I* decide as far as I'm concerned. Did you decide your gender or the colour of your hair or of your skin?
From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 03:55 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> > > > It is perfectly possible to live in Europe without >> > > > being a European. >> > > Will you concede that, in some circumstances, a simple >> > > geographical description, for instance, the >> > > description of European describes everyone who lives >> > > in Europe? >> > Yes, if the person concerned agrees. >> > >> > Otherwise, no. >> Does someone have to agree the colour of their hair >> before it becomes fact (putting aside people who choose >> to change their hair colour)? > It is an individual's choice to be called or not to be called what they > want/don't want to be. Whether you like it or not, respect them. This isn't about "being called something you're not". It's a geopolitical fact that you, as a national of a European country, are a European. Whether you prefer that the UK wasn't a European country, or how you personally feel about the European Union and it's governing bodies does not - and cannot - affect that basic fact.
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 04:33 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kv6dnWsgktB8-HTZRVny3g(a)bt.com [snip] > To be called something is one thing, to deny what they > are is something quite different. You are denying being a > European, despite evidence to the contrary. You have no evidence. You have only what you have inferred. I am not a European, the fact that you refuse to accept it shouldn't be my problem. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 04:35
"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns98265AD6A1AA9adrianachapmanfreeis(a)204.153.244.170 [snip] > This isn't about "being called something you're not". It is exactly that. > It's a geopolitical fact that you, as a national of a > European country, are a European. Wrong. I do not take definitions from continents, I take them from countries. > Whether you prefer that the UK wasn't a European country, > or how you personally feel about the European Union and > it's governing bodies does not - and cannot - affect that > basic fact. The only fact that need concern you is the fact I am not a European. Ivor |