From: Ivor Jones on


"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8LidnaFbDoesx3TZRVnyhA(a)bt.com
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > It's got nothing to do with likes and dislikes, it's a
> > > simple matter of what is or is not.
> >
> > And who decides what is or is not..? You..? I don't
> > think so.
>
> It determined at birth, if not before. It is not a matter
> of choice or decision.

It is exactly that.

> >
> > *I* decide as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Did you decide your gender or the colour of your hair or
> of your skin?

No. But those aren't under discussion. You are deciding for me what I am.
You do not have that right. You are trying to absolve yourself of
responsibility by saying it is not a matter of choice, but you are still
making decisions you have no right to make.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on


"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:B9idnWE6dYVQxXTZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)bt.com
> > > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:4ksbd3Fd6cjpU18(a)individual.net...
> > >
> > > > I don't have to offer an explanation. I have
> > > > actually done so, but you refuse to accept it, in
> > > > exactly the same way I refuse to accept being
> > > > called a European.
> > >
> > > You have given no explanation as to why your are not
> > > European. Please feel free to do so.
> >
> > I have done so. Ad nauseum. You refuse to accept my
> > explanation. Your problem.
>
> No you haven't, you've only said what you are not.

Yes I have, but you refuse to accept it.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

> I haven't insulted you in any way, shape or form. I'm
> trying to understand what it is about you that is not
> European.

You *have* insulted me by calling me a European ..! The fact that you
don't understand why I regard it as an insult really is irrelevant.

All I am asking is that you stop calling me a European, ok..? You can
think and genuinely believe I am one all you like, just stop calling me
it.

Please.

Ivor


From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l5OdnfB62Y38-HTZRVnyjQ(a)bt.com
>
> [snip]
>
>> I haven't insulted you in any way, shape or form. I'm
>> trying to understand what it is about you that is not
>> European.
>
> You *have* insulted me by calling me a European ..! The fact that you
> don't understand why I regard it as an insult really is irrelevant.

The fact that you claim not to be a European is very relevant. Until you
provide evidence to the contrary there is no reason to beileve you are not.

> All I am asking is that you stop calling me a European, ok..? You can
> think and genuinely believe I am one all you like, just stop calling
> me it.

Why should anyone not call you what you are? Do you object to being called a
man?


From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wtadnWfqhuAQ-HTZnZ2dnUVZ8qKdnZ2d(a)bt.com
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B9idnWE6dYVQxXTZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)bt.com
>>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ksbd3Fd6cjpU18(a)individual.net...
>>>>
>>>>> I don't have to offer an explanation. I have
>>>>> actually done so, but you refuse to accept it, in
>>>>> exactly the same way I refuse to accept being
>>>>> called a European.
>>>>
>>>> You have given no explanation as to why your are not
>>>> European. Please feel free to do so.
>>>
>>> I have done so. Ad nauseum. You refuse to accept my
>>> explanation. Your problem.
>>
>> No you haven't, you've only said what you are not.
>
> Yes I have, but you refuse to accept it.

You've said you were born in England of a Welsh father. That's only part of
the picture. Complete that and I expect the questions will stop.