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From: Mike on 21 Aug 2006 11:37 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ZoSdnSUdy6tGUnTZRVnyrg(a)bt.com... > "Mike" <not(a)here.thanks> wrote in message > news:Rf-dnVLu3JaeUnTZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > > "Morris Finsbury" <qrnq_znatyrq_cvtrba(a)zfa.pbz> wrote in message > > news:44e9bb28$0$1391$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > >> > >> > I'm a UK resident not a European resident. > >> > >> Do you have a passport? > >> > >> What does it say on the front, at the top, in gold, friendly letters? > >> > >> > > > > and what does it say in bold, just above the crest which is right in the > > middle? > > > > UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND > > > > and below that > > > > PASSPORT > > > > and in very small print at the top > > > > european union > > > > and on the next page just inside the cover ... > > > > Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the > > Name > > of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass > > freely without let or hinderance ...... etc etc etc etc > > > > I am English first and foremost > > > > British next > > . > > then somewhere down the line > > > > european > > > > I served Her Majesty under the White Ensign > > > > If you have problems with that, what is your country of birth? > > No one has a problem with that, except "Ivor Jones". > > For Ivor read > > I am Welsh first and foremost For Jock read > > I am Scotish first and foremost For Paddy from North of the Border > > I am Irish first and foremost Next question please. Mike Please remember, the United Kingdom will still be here when the European Union has collapsed :-))
From: Mark Foster on 21 Aug 2006 12:26 In article <QLadnervHdvB4XTZnZ2dnUVZ8qWdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Adrian wrote: > > Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much > > like they were saying : > > > >>> It's a geopolitical fact that you, as a national of a > >>> European country, are a European. > > > >> Wrong. I do not take definitions from continents, I take them from > >> countries. > > > > Sorry, but that's just not your choice. You might not *choose* to > > describe yourself as a European, but you are. It's an immutable fact, > > and to try to deny it is denial at best, and Ostrich syndrome at > > worst. > > Is the sand deep enough? I don't know... let's check... Do you accept that you're African? -- "There are no such useless words as...'I didn't have a chance.'" [Driving, HMSO]
From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 12:32 Brimstone (brimstone(a)hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > I'm beginning to think that "Ivor Jones" is of the mindset that still > believes that "Europe" is a nasty foreign place full of thoroughly > unpleasant Frenchmen and Germans who want to kill him and his kin. Y'see, England IS Europe...
From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 12:34 Mike (not(a)here.thanks) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > For Paddy from North of the Border > > I am Irish first and foremost Now *THAT* is a whole different can of Semtex...
From: Mark Foster on 21 Aug 2006 12:41
In article <qKSdnUYXy43HynTZnZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4ksbd0Fd6cjpU4(a)individual.net... > > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:XbqdndHArPPGXnXZRVnytg(a)bt.com > >> Ivor Jones wrote: > >> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> > news:mq6dnQFcQcnfInXZnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d(a)bt.com > >> > > Ivor Jones wrote: > >> > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> > > > news:z76dnc5GefPmKXXZRVnyjA(a)bt.com > >> > > > > >> > > > [snip] > >> > > > > >> > > > > Why do you not want to be called something that > >> > > > > you are? > >> > > > > >> > > > Because I am not what you believe me to be. > >> > > > >> > > What do you believe I believe you to be? > >> > > >> > A European, of course. But then you knew that. > >> > >> So if you're not European, from which continent or other > >> geographic region of the world do your forebears > >> originate? > > > > Irrelevant. Whether they are or were European or not does not mean I am. > > Wrong, you can't be anything other than what your parents were. Wrong! I have friends who live in California. They are both English and have UK passports. They also have two daughters who are both Americans and have US passports. Care to admit that you're wrong? I won't hold my breath. Please make up your mind whether you are discussing nationality of ethnicity... if you know difference. >[snip] > > Stop treating the rest of us as idiots and I'm sure there will be > reciprication. So far you're wrong twice in this thread. As soon as you stop making yourself look like an idiot I'm sure people will stop treating you like one. -- "There are no such useless words as...'I didn't have a chance.'" [Driving, HMSO] |