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From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 14:27 "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kp343Fcj01gU1(a)individual.net... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:rZWdnbZmTaWpy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8smdnZ2d(a)bt.com >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >> news:4kp305Fd9a9mU1(a)individual.net... >> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:9f-dncWxYvDQyHrZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> > > So the cultural and other influences that your >> > > parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles (assuming you >> > > have any) impressed upon you throughout your >> > > childhood have had no effect? >> > >> > Correct. My nationality is the country of my birth. >> > Nothing else. >> >> No one has said any different. > > You said I am a European. I am not, I am an Englishman. Why are you trying to seperate two things which are inseperable? England is in Europe, it's firmly attached. No one can tow it away to be a seperate entity. Therefore you are a European born in England of a Welsh father and an unknown (to me) mother.
From: Adrian on 19 Aug 2006 14:33 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>> There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears and shouting >>> "you're a European" because that still won't make me one. I am defined >>> by my *country* not a continent. End of story. >> I don't have to shout anything to make you what you >> already are. You are defined by country, state, continent >> and (if ever the time comes) planet. > Country. Nothing else. Give up. So an Ethiopean isn't an African, a Brazilian isn't a South American, and a Pakistani isn't an Asian.
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:35 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:z7-dnSsv0OmrynrZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4kp32tFdaq2oU1(a)individual.net... > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:sNednS1y7K-fy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > I don't have to shout anything to make you what you > > > already are. You are defined by country, state, > > > continent and (if ever the time comes) planet. > > > > Country. Nothing else. Give up. > > Country, plus continent plus planet. Wrong. Give up. Ivor
From: Adrian on 19 Aug 2006 14:38 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > My parentage has nothing to do with it. *I* am defined by where *I* > was born, not by where someone else was. If my mother was born in > Japan (she wasn't, by the way, neither was she born in Wales) would > that make me Japanese..? So all those kids born to BFPO in Germany in the 60s-70s-80s are German? Even if they moved back to the UK in their infancy?
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:39
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:NZKdnYtT1-CQxXrZRVny2w(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4kp343Fcj01gU1(a)individual.net... > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:rZWdnbZmTaWpy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8smdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > > > news:4kp305Fd9a9mU1(a)individual.net... > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:9f-dncWxYvDQyHrZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > So the cultural and other influences that your > > > > > parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles (assuming > > > > > you have any) impressed upon you throughout your > > > > > childhood have had no effect? > > > > > > > > Correct. My nationality is the country of my birth. > > > > Nothing else. > > > > > > No one has said any different. > > > > You said I am a European. I am not, I am an Englishman. > > Why are you trying to seperate two things which are > inseperable? England is in Europe, it's firmly attached. That has nothing to do with my nationality. > No one can tow it away to be a seperate entity. Therefore > you are a European born in England of a Welsh father and > an unknown (to me) mother. I am an Englishman born in England. Ivor |