From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Tony Raven" <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote in message
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>> Ivor Jones wrote on 19/08/2006 20:21 +0100:
>>> "Tony Raven" <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4kp56sFd3p9vU1(a)individual.net
>>>>
>>>> OED: European n.
>>>>
>>>> B. 1. A native of Europe.
>>>>
>>>> Ergo you are a European and saying otherwise will not
>>>> change the fact.
>>>
>>> I'm not a native of Europe, there is no such country. I
>>> can only be a native of a country, not a continent.
>>>
>>
>> Since a native is "A person born in a specified place,
>> region, or country, whether subsequently resident there
>> or not " you can be a native of a continent.
>
> You can if you want, I am not.

How do you work that out? You claim to have been born in England, of which
you are a native. England is a part of the British Isles which are a part of
Europe, therefore you must be a native of Europe. To believe anything else
smacks of Little Englanderism.


>> Did you know that British soldiers sent to India under
>> British rule were officially designated "European" to
>> distinguish them from the native troops, not British or
>> English?
>
> So what..?

So if the British soldiers were not Europeans then the Government of the
says was wrong.

>
>>>> You still haven't said whether you recognise the terms
>>>> American, Asian, African or Australian.
>>>
>>> That's not relevant.
>>>
>>
>> Well surely if you deny the existence of Europeans you
>> must logically deny the existence of these other
>> designations.
>
> They're not relevant.

Why not?


From: Ivor Jones on
"Tony Raven" <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote on 19/08/2006 21:09 +0100:
> >
> > I am not a European.
> >
>
> Are, are, are! ;-)

Yawn.

> Anyway, what do you have against being European?

Nothing, because I can't be what I'm not.

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:

[snip]

> > I am not a European.
>
> Oh yes you are!

Wrong.

Ivor


From: Tony Raven on
Ivor Jones wrote on 19/08/2006 21:27 +0100:
> "Tony Raven" <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote in message
>
>> Anyway, what do you have against being European?
>
> Nothing, because I can't be what I'm not.
>

It seems to be more don't want to be what you are.


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
From: Ivor Jones on
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

> How do you work that out? You claim to have been born in
> England, of which you are a native. England is a part of
> the British Isles which are a part of Europe, therefore
> you must be a native of Europe. To believe anything else
> smacks of Little Englanderism.

It can smack of a kipper in the face it you like, I am still not a
European.

> > > Did you know that British soldiers sent to India under
> > > British rule were officially designated "European" to
> > > distinguish them from the native troops, not British
> > > or English?
> >
> > So what..?
>
> So if the British soldiers were not Europeans then the
> Government of the says was wrong.

Well now, it wouldn't be the first time a government was wrong, would
it..?!

> > > > > You still haven't said whether you recognise the
> > > > > terms American, Asian, African or Australian.
> > > >
> > > > That's not relevant.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well surely if you deny the existence of Europeans you
> > > must logically deny the existence of these other
> > > designations.
> >
> > They're not relevant.
>
> Why not?

Because they're not Europeans either.

Ivor