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From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 18:31 "Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig(a)oil.com> wrote in message news:0f0fe25enoe3cicbbatu9keh4oo36hp5ru(a)4ax.com [snip] > You are what you are. And what you are, as far as > terminology is concerned, is determined by usage (see > earlier remarks). It's nothing to do with rights - it's > just what happens. If you are a bore, this is not because > you define yourself as a bore, but because that's how > other people regard you. You can regard me how you like, it still will not make me what I am not. However much you try. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 18:32 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9824E49F68037adrianachapmanfreeis(a)204.153.244.170 > Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, > sounding much like they were saying : > > > > > > What does the front cover of your passport say? > > > > > I'll tell you what it doesn't say - European > > > > Citizen. > > > > Who ever said it did? > > > > > > Are you claiming it doesn't say "European" on it at > > > all? > > > It says European Union. Which unless I'm mistaken is a > > political organisation, not a definition of status. On > > the page with my photo on it says British Citizen. > > Right. And Britain is a member of the EU. Therefore, > you're a citizen of a member state of the European Union > - a European. Wrong. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 18:33 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:N-CdnRxDq_JZGHrZnZ2dnUVZ8tadnZ2d(a)bt.com > Ivor Jones wrote: > > "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:Xns9824E1F8A88Cadrianachapmanfreeis(a)204.153.244.170 > > > Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, > > > sounding much like they were saying : > > > > > > > > > I am not a European. > > > > > > > > What does the front cover of your passport say? > > > > > > > I'll tell you what it doesn't say - European > > > > Citizen. > > > > > > Who ever said it did? > > > > > > Are you claiming it doesn't say "European" on it at > > > all? > > > > It says European Union. Which unless I'm mistaken is a > > political organisation, not a definition of status. On > > the page with my photo on it says British Citizen. > > European was used to to describe people from Europe long > before the EU was even thought of. People have been > Europeans, Africans etc ever since the continents were > given names. Whatever. It *still* doesn't make me a European, and you will never get me to say it does. Stop trying. Ivor
From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 18:34 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message > news:i52fe2t9plfp42522stpqjlaideamn0325(a)4ax.com >> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:00:07 +0100, "Ivor Jones" >> <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: >> >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:gKKdnSyNBsv6zXrZnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d(a)bt.com >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> It's a simple fact of life, like the colour of your >>>> hair or eyes. You're a European, unless your parents >>>> are of a different ethnic origin to the natives. >>> >>> Wrong. My parents have nothing to do with it, neither >>> does a continent. I am defined by my country of birth, >>> and nothing, repeat *NOTHING* else. >>> >> >> So even the "Ivor Jones" bit is redundant? > > How is my name relevant to my nationality..? Because names have their origins in different countries. Yours is Welsh, the Welsh are Celts (as you're probably aware) who came to Britain from Europe.
From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 18:35
Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:GaWdnRiFM52yGHrZRVny2g(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:J_CdnS2fedU943rZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d(a)bt.com >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> So you object to being defined as a human male? >>> >>> I object to others deciding what I am. >> >> Others decided you are a human male. > > Oh yes, who..? I was unaware it was possible to choose the gender of a > child in the 50's. But it's what other people define you as. |