From: Ivor Jones on
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:

[snip]

> > How is my name relevant to my nationality..?
>
> Because names have their origins in different countries.
> Yours is Welsh, the Welsh are Celts (as you're probably
> aware) who came to Britain from Europe.

So if I were called Ivan I'd have to be Russian..? With a name like
Brimstone I suppose that makes you the Devil Incarnate..?

Ivor


From: SteveH on
Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:

> "SteveH" <steve(a)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Country. Nothing else. Give up.
> > > >
> > > > Country, plus continent plus planet.
> > >
> > > Wrong. Give up.
> >
> > Is this a "La, La, La, I'm not listening' moment?
>
> You can stop listening if you like. I'm still not a European, even if
> nobody is listening.

You can say it as often as you like, but, unfortunately (for you) you
happen to be European.

Unless you have some strange passport from the Falklands or something.
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From: Ivor Jones on
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GaWdnRiFM52yGHrZRVny2g(a)bt.com
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:J_CdnS2fedU943rZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d(a)bt.com
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > > So you object to being defined as a human male?
> > > >
> > > > I object to others deciding what I am.
> > >
> > > Others decided you are a human male.
> >
> > Oh yes, who..? I was unaware it was possible to choose
> > the gender of a child in the 50's.
>
> But it's what other people define you as.

Hmm. I didn't think my mother and father looked at me and said "we've had
a European"

Ivor


From: Ivor Jones on


"SteveH" <steve(a)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > European was used to to describe people from Europe
> > > long before the EU was even thought of. People have
> > > been Europeans, Africans etc ever since the
> > > continents were given names.
> >
> > Whatever. It *still* doesn't make me a European, and
> > you will never get me to say it does. Stop trying.
>
> You can say you're not as often as you like, but it
> doesn't mean you're right.

I'm afraid it does. Neither you nor anyone else has the right to decide
for me what I am.

> If you have a UK passport you are, by definition,
> European.
>
> You appear to have some difficulties in understanding
> this.

Of course I don't understand it. It isn't true.

Ivor


From: SteveH on
Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:

> > You can say you're not as often as you like, but it
> > doesn't mean you're right.
>
> I'm afraid it does. Neither you nor anyone else has the right to decide
> for me what I am.
>
> > If you have a UK passport you are, by definition,
> > European.
> >
> > You appear to have some difficulties in understanding
> > this.
>
> Of course I don't understand it. It isn't true.

You have a UK / British passport.

This makes you European.

It doesn't matter how much you protest, it's a fact and you can't do
anything about it, other than move to somewhere outside of the EU.
--
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