From: Rob Morley on
In article <4kpm5qFd8alaU2(a)individual.net>
Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Chris Slade" <uce(a)ftc.gov> wrote in message
> news:4kpla0Fdb5gjU1(a)individual.net
> > Ivor Jones wrote:
> >
> > > You don't know me. You cannot even begin to know
> > > whether I'm right or wrong.
> > >
> > > And I'm *still* not a European, so the sooner you stop
> > > calling me one the sooner we can get back to some
> > > semblance of normality.
> >
> > I think I'm getting the picture here. You're descended
> > from African stock who migrated from Wales to England.
> > Therefore you think European is some kind of insult to
> > your heritage, right?
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong. :-)
>
> You're wrong. I do think being called what I am not as an insult, but not
> for those reasons.
>
So you won't be insulted by me calling you a fuckwit?
From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:23:51 +0100, "Brimstone"
<brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4kp32tFdaq2oU1(a)individual.net...
>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sNednS1y7K-fy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d(a)bt.com
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I don't have to shout anything to make you what you
>>> already are. You are defined by country, state, continent
>>> and (if ever the time comes) planet.
>>
>> Country. Nothing else. Give up.
>
>Country, plus continent plus planet.
>

You might as well give up.

Ivor will never accept that what everybody else on the planet who
speaks English believes is true, could possibly be correct, because
he doesn't want it to be valid.

He is a *lot* more stubborn (and shows rather less intelligence) on
this matter than Ben Nevis.
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From: Alex Heney on
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:15:15 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>SteveH wrote:
>
>|| Unless you have some strange passport from the Falklands or
>|| something. --
>
>I can see this ending in a revelation that no-one has thought of, like he
>was born on the polar ice-cap or something. I wondered if your guess on the
>Falklands might have been it. But no - the game of 20 questions continues.
>
>You're Adolf Hitler? - Wrong.
>OK, you're Superman? - Wrong.
>
>And so on ...

No, he is English.

He just wrongly believes that somebody who is English is not also
European.

And if everybody else in the entire world were to tell him, he would
*still* insist that it was everybody else who was wrong.

It is odd, because if you get him away from issues surrounding
nationality, statehood, Europe, etc. he appears to be intelligent, and
can have a reasonable conversation.

But in those areas, he comes across as a gibbering idiot :-(
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From: Alex Heney on
On 19 Aug 2006 08:58:22 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Tony Raven (junk(a)raven-family.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
>they were saying :
>
>> So you don't believe there is such a thing as an American
>
>Poor example, seeing as there's a country called America.
>

Where is that then?

I'm not aware of one.

I suspect the country you are thinking of is the country called "The
United States of America".
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From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:57:21 +0100, "Brimstone"
<brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4kp1imFd46ccU1(a)individual.net...
>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:tZmdnRlLEvSf0nrZRVnyrw(a)bt.com
>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:4kp105Fda3o1U1(a)individual.net...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> > How am I Welsh, when I was born in Essex..?
>>>
>>> Because of your parents.
>>
>> How do you work that one out..?!
>>
>>> > I'm still not a European either.
>>>
>>> So what are you African, American (North or South), Asian
>>> or Australian?
>>
>> None of the above. I am English, I take my definition from my *country*
>> not continent.
>
>Hard luck, you don't get a choice. It's a basic fact of life that you can't
>alter.
>
>If your were born of Welsh born parents then you're Welsh, not English.
>

Actually, that *is* something where you often have a choice.

Nationality is often defined by place of birth, and less often by
parents' nationality (and if so, then usually only the father's)
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