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From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 02:51 Alex Heney wrote: > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:23:18 +0100, "Brimstone" > <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> David Taylor wrote: >>> On 2006-08-19, Brimstone <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> Paul {Hamilton Rooney} wrote: >>>> >>>>> If we all email them today, maybe they'll put it in the next >>>>> edition! >>>> >>>> Since it's an inaccurate usage why bother? >>> >>> There is so much wrong with that sentence, I don't entirely know >>> where to start. >>> >>> The English language is described BY it's usage. The dictionaries >>> are merely there to document that usage. That English changes over >>> time is rather obvious -- look at Shakespeare's plays. >> >> Quite true but, as I've said elsewhere, the word in question has >> been in widespread use for several decades and the OED hasn't seen >> fit to include it whereas they have with other more recent words and >> uses. >> > > So they have missed it. > > I am quite sure that if somebody presented them with evidence that it > was a recognised meaning of the word, they would include it. Here's your chance to have an influence on the future of our great language:- http://www.oed.com/general/contacts.html and scroll down to "OED appeals and submissions"
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 02:51 Alex Heney wrote: > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:16:32 +0100, "Brimstone" > <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Paul {Hamilton Rooney} wrote: >>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:08:44 +0100, "Brimstone" >>> <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:5lhce2dfu34qn4ppn7o1frf94sgfl0t2fv(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:50:58 +0100, Tony Raven >>>>> <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alex Heney wrote on 18/08/2006 21:40 +0100: >>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:58:04 GMT, JAF >>>>>>> <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:07:41 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney} >>>>>>>> <craig(a)oil.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It meant a fixed thing or place. >>>>>>>> Post (stick in the ground) and post (mail) have different >>>>>>>> origins. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And "undertake" (to take upon oneself), "undertake" (to carry >>>>>>> out funerals) and "undertake" (to pass on the "wrong" side) all >>>>>>> have different origins. >>>>>> >>>>>> But only the first two are recognised by the OED. >>>>> >>>>> True. >>>>> >>>>> But give it time :-) >>>> >>>> How long? >>>> >>> >>> I'd guess two or three years. >> >> Hmmm, I've been hearing it used in the sense of passing another >> vehicle on the nearside for as many decades, how come the OED >> haven't included it yet? >> > > The OED require print evidence of it having been used with that > meaning. > > Didn't you watch "Balderdash and Piffle" on BBC2 recently? I don't watch TV.
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 02:54 Ivor Jones wrote: > "SteveH" <steve(a)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1hkcdcb.18n3s7qexz5ldN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk >> Ivor Jones <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: >> >>>>> My passport has nothing to do with it. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately for you, it does. >>>> >>>> You live in a country, and have a passport from, a >>>> country that is part of the European Economic >>>> Community. This makes you a European. >>>> >>>> What is it that's so hard to understand about this >>>> concept? >>> >>> Everything, because it isn't true. >> >> OK. Right.... <takes deep breath> >> >> Could you *please* explain to everyone how someone with a >> British passport, resident in the UK, which is part of >> the EU cannot be considered a European? > > Because a continent is not a country. I am defined by my country of > birth not my continent of residence. If I move to Australia, I will > still be English. You will also still be European. If you remain there any length of time you will become Australian.
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 03:01 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Zo2dnazyZaXfD3rZRVnyjQ(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:GaWdnRiFM52yGHrZRVny2g(a)bt.com >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:J_CdnS2fedU943rZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d(a)bt.com >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>> So you object to being defined as a human male? >>>>> >>>>> I object to others deciding what I am. >>>> >>>> Others decided you are a human male. >>> >>> Oh yes, who..? I was unaware it was possible to choose >>> the gender of a child in the 50's. >> >> But it's what other people define you as. > > Hmm. I didn't think my mother and father looked at me and said "we've > had a European" No, they probably said, "We've had a baby boy". True or False?
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 03:02
Alex Heney wrote: > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:52:16 +0100, "Brimstone" > <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >> news:4kp14fFd9k96U1(a)individual.net... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:cK6dnTgzcauTs3rZRVnygg(a)bt.com >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:CeWdnSWvU9LHI3vZRVnyuQ(a)bt.com >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>> So you're an immigrant? >>>>> >>>>> No, my father was..! I was born in Essex. >>>> >>>> You're still an immigrant in that you're not English. >>> >>> Now you're really talking cobblers. How can I not be English if I >>> was born in England..? >> >> Because of your parentage. >> > > By that argument, there is (and can be) nobody who is English. Nor any other nationality. |