From: Brent on
On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 11:06�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > On May 4, 7:32�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > as bad as we think it is.. we did vote the very first black man to the
>> >> > Presidency and that did not happen because people distrusted the
>> >> > system or this guy.
>>
>> >> If you vote for the lesser of two evils you endorse evil. You give it
>> >> permission and justification to do what it does. For many/most people it
>> >> goes further, when the lesser evil they voted for does something evil
>> >> they have to defend it even when they know what was done was wrong. Evil
>> >> knows this and plays it for all its worth. The whole society declines
>> >> with this practice. The brutality that so many americans now cheer on is
>> >> a prime example.
>>
>> > I would say that many of your choices in life are along the same lines
>> > in some respect. �If you vote - then you do this -right? �you're way
>> > off the deep end...on this IMHO. �We don't cheer it on... we do the
>> > best we can given the circumstances. That my friend, is life.
>>
>> If that's what lets you sleep at night. Meanwhile your vote for D or R
>> (in most cases with few exceptions) is your vote for killing people on
>> the other side of the planet with remote controlled weapons, your seal of
>> approval of what the banksters are doing, your seal of approval on all
>> sorts of actions. There is a reason why government wants people to vote.
>> It wants that seal of approval.
>>
>> Voting is something you can choose not to do. You can even choose not to
>> vote for any of the choices for a specific office yet vote for someone
>> running for some other office. You can sometimes write someone in. It
>> simply isn't like other things in life, it is totally optional.
>>
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loH5kALsj34
>>
>> Lame.
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>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTL7P3c3_Ag
>
> can you name places where governance is better than here? how about
> worse? what's the score?

All I have to cite is the US in the past, when it was a rich and
productive nation instead of hugely in debt violent empire.

> As far as I can tell - we have, as American humans, a substantial
> amount of personal freedom to have a huge impact on our own individual
> destinies.... though I agree, the patriot act was a big step back and
> technology like cameras and on-board black boxes are working on us.

You'll find out how limiting it is when you try to use it without the
proper political connections.

> If enough people think like you think - it will eventually have an
> effect on our system.though I do not see right now exactly how because
> the two-party system is pretty entrenched as you say.

When they run the money into being poor quality toilet paper, maybe then
boobus will wake up.


From: Brent on
On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> When they run the money into being poor quality toilet paper, maybe then
>> boobus will wake up.
>
> still.. it's better than the alternatives, eh?

The US being a third world nation economically with all that military to
surpress the people? Lots of alternatives better than that.



From: Brent on
On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 1:45�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> When they run the money into being poor quality toilet paper, maybe then
>> >> boobus will wake up.
>>
>> > still.. it's better than the alternatives, eh?
>>
>> The US being a third world nation economically with all that military to
>> surpress the people? Lots of alternatives better than that.
>
> got a ranked list of the better ones?
>
> how about this one:
>
> http://www.heritage.org/index/TopTen.aspx

8th is pretty bad.

How about this:
https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdf



From: Brent on
On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 4:24�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 5, 1:45�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> When they run the money into being poor quality toilet paper, maybe then
>> >> >> boobus will wake up.
>>
>> >> > still.. it's better than the alternatives, eh?
>>
>> >> The US being a third world nation economically with all that military to
>> >> surpress the people? Lots of alternatives better than that.
>>
>> > got a ranked list of the better ones?
>>
>> > how about this one:
>>
>> >http://www.heritage.org/index/TopTen.aspx
>>
>> 8th is pretty bad.
>>
>> How about this:https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdf
>
> WOW! make you wonder why these guys want to come to this country, eh?
>
> 51.Mexico ----->>>> 6. United States of America

Why does that mean anything? The US federal government wants them here.
Illegal aliens aren't subjected to the same things US citizens are. In
some cities they can get away with practically anything.

> do you think our rules had anything to do with how fast the would-be
> terrorist was caught? Would you rather have him harder to find?

terrorism against americans is the result of the US federal government's
foreign policy, foreign wars, intervention in other people's countries,
etc and so forth. That is the real terrorism, not that done by US
government and/or pushed along by US government agents and informants.

The police state has always been for the american people.