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From: Brent on 4 May 2010 11:12 On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > .... called laws and legislation ... and elections. Ok, so what changed when barry was elected for "Change"? Answer: Nothing. If there could be real fundamental change in government through the election process, elections could very well be canceled. The entire election process is carefully crafted such that significant change is highly unlikely. A few recent highlights: 1994: Republicans elected to reduce government. Result: Bigger government. 2008: Democrats elected to stop wars. Result: More war. 2008: Democrats elected to stop spying on americans. Result: More/continued spying on americans. 2008: Democrats elected to stop handouts to big business. Result: More handouts to big business. The election process is simply meaningless in a macro sense, the state continues on its course. > the tea pots want far, far less govt expenditures and services than > the majority of Americans do or else we'd elect someone like Ron Paul > and get on with the downsizing. Congress has told the far majority of people to pound sand. Major "services" like the banker bailout and health care "reform" were rejected by the majority of americans yet passed anyway. > failing that.. we have folks who do dumb comparisons between war lords > and elected government... and when pushed.. they talk about watering > the tree of liberty and other dumbass trash talk. Why, you don't like the nasty reality of the state? Violence is what government is. Ultimately it's nothing more than a monopoly on legal violence. Refuse to pull over the next time a cop has picked you for revenue harvesting and you've not endangered anyone. See what happens. See the true nature of the state. > We have a very flawed system of governance - it's true - unfortunately > it's better than 99% of the alternatives available to people..... > and they can't suck it up and accept that reality... The people who can't look at reality are those who can't see through the sham. This system you say better than the alternatives is the same thing. People using the state's monopoly on violence to enrich themselves at the cost of others. It's a meaningless to sit there and tell those who are net payers that they can just use the election process and beat the majority who are net recipients.
From: Brent on 4 May 2010 16:10 On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 4, 11:12�am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > .... called laws and legislation ... and elections. >> >> Ok, so what changed when barry was elected for "Change"? >> Answer: Nothing. If there could be real fundamental change in government >> through the election process, elections could very well be canceled. The >> entire election process is carefully crafted such that significant >> change is highly unlikely. >> >> A few recent highlights: >> 1994: Republicans elected to reduce government. Result: Bigger >> government. >> 2008: Democrats elected to stop wars. Result: More war. >> 2008: Democrats elected to stop spying on americans. Result: >> More/continued spying on americans. >> 2008: Democrats elected to stop handouts to big business. Result: More >> handouts to big business. >> >> The election process is simply meaningless in a macro sense, the state >> continues on its course. >> >> > the tea pots want far, far less govt expenditures and services than >> > the majority of Americans do or else we'd elect someone like Ron Paul >> > and get on with the downsizing. >> >> Congress has told the far majority of people to pound sand. Major >> "services" like the banker bailout and health care "reform" were >> rejected by the majority of americans yet passed anyway. >> >> > failing that.. we have folks who do dumb comparisons between war lords >> > and elected government... � and when pushed.. they talk about watering >> > the tree of liberty and other dumbass trash talk. >> >> Why, you don't like the nasty reality of the state? Violence is what >> government is. Ultimately it's nothing more than a monopoly on legal >> violence. Refuse to pull over the next time a cop has picked you for >> revenue harvesting and you've not endangered anyone. See what happens. >> See the true nature of the state. >> >> > We have a very flawed system of governance - it's true - unfortunately >> > it's better than 99% of the alternatives available to people..... >> > and they can't suck it up and accept that reality... >> >> The people who can't look at reality are those who can't see through >> the sham. This system you say better than the alternatives is the same >> thing. People using the state's monopoly on violence to enrich >> themselves at the cost of others. >> >> It's a meaningless to sit there and tell those who are net payers that >> they can just use the election process and beat the majority who are net >> recipients. > > it's what you have guy. "Barry" has been in office for 18 months. > Where were you when two wars and Medicare Part D were financed on the > credit card while those in charge were saying "deficits don't > matter"? did you just suddenly "get" religion or are you basically a > hypocrite for spending 8 years keeping quiet until now? Another personal attack posing as an argument. I've been the libertarian kook of r.a.d since before Barry was senator, long long before he replaced Shrub. > Do you know who passed the most socialist health care law in the > history of this country? Mr. Reagan who signed ETMALA - the law that > says that ERs must treat everyone no matter whether they can pay or > not - AND that hospitals can cost-shift those losses to people who do > have insurance by charging them 10 bucks for an aspirin and 50 bucks > for a disposable urinal. > your lovely Republican buddies spent 8 years rubber-stamping whatever > Mr. Bush and Mr. Tom Delay told them to do... and now you have > problems with government and you think your Republican buddies are > going to fix it? > ha ha ha ha ha ha ... right... GMAFB I just go through a post talking about elections don't change anything and you blather team D vs. team R nonsense. The republicans are corporatists/fascists just like democrats. Duh. "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom. Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of some faceless bureaucrat." -Andrew Napolitano
From: Brent on 4 May 2010 18:00 On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 4, 4:10�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On May 4, 11:12�am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > .... called laws and legislation ... and elections. >> >> >> Ok, so what changed when barry was elected for "Change"? >> >> Answer: Nothing. If there could be real fundamental change in government >> >> through the election process, elections could very well be canceled. The >> >> entire election process is carefully crafted such that significant >> >> change is highly unlikely. >> >> >> A few recent highlights: >> >> 1994: Republicans elected to reduce government. Result: Bigger >> >> government. >> >> 2008: Democrats elected to stop wars. Result: More war. >> >> 2008: Democrats elected to stop spying on americans. Result: >> >> More/continued spying on americans. >> >> 2008: Democrats elected to stop handouts to big business. Result: More >> >> handouts to big business. >> >> >> The election process is simply meaningless in a macro sense, the state >> >> continues on its course. >> >> >> > the tea pots want far, far less govt expenditures and services than >> >> > the majority of Americans do or else we'd elect someone like Ron Paul >> >> > and get on with the downsizing. >> >> >> Congress has told the far majority of people to pound sand. Major >> >> "services" like the banker bailout and health care "reform" were >> >> rejected by the majority of americans yet passed anyway. >> >> >> > failing that.. we have folks who do dumb comparisons between war lords >> >> > and elected government... � and when pushed.. they talk about watering >> >> > the tree of liberty and other dumbass trash talk. >> >> >> Why, you don't like the nasty reality of the state? Violence is what >> >> government is. Ultimately it's nothing more than a monopoly on legal >> >> violence. Refuse to pull over the next time a cop has picked you for >> >> revenue harvesting and you've not endangered anyone. See what happens. >> >> See the true nature of the state. >> >> >> > We have a very flawed system of governance - it's true - unfortunately >> >> > it's better than 99% of the alternatives available to people..... >> >> > and they can't suck it up and accept that reality... >> >> >> The people who can't look at reality are those who can't see through >> >> the sham. This system you say better than the alternatives is the same >> >> thing. People using the state's monopoly on violence to enrich >> >> themselves at the cost of others. >> >> >> It's a meaningless to sit there and tell those who are net payers that >> >> they can just use the election process and beat the majority who are net >> >> recipients. >> >> > it's what you have guy. "Barry" has been in office for 18 months. >> > Where were you when two wars and Medicare Part D were financed on the >> > credit card while those in charge were saying "deficits don't >> > matter"? �did you just suddenly "get" religion or are you basically a >> > hypocrite for spending 8 years keeping quiet until now? >> >> Another personal attack posing as an argument. I've been the libertarian >> kook of r.a.d since before Barry was senator, long long before he >> replaced Shrub. >> >> > Do you know who passed the most socialist health care law in the >> > history of this country? �Mr. Reagan who signed ETMALA - the law that >> > says that ERs must treat everyone no matter whether they can pay or >> > not - �AND that hospitals can cost-shift those losses to people who do >> > have insurance by charging them 10 bucks for an aspirin and 50 bucks >> > for a disposable urinal. >> > your lovely Republican buddies spent 8 years rubber-stamping whatever >> > Mr. Bush and Mr. Tom Delay told them to do... and now you have >> > problems with government and you think your Republican buddies are >> > going to fix it? >> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ... right... � GMAFB >> >> I just go through a post talking about elections don't change anything >> and you blather team D vs. team R nonsense. The republicans are >> corporatists/fascists just like democrats. Duh. >> >> "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We have >> one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing likes >> deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic wing >> likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial liberties. Both >> parties like power; and neither is interested in your freedoms. Think >> about it. Government is the negation of freedom. Freedom is your power >> and ability to follow your own free will and your own conscience. The >> government wants you to follow the will of some faceless bureaucrat." >> -Andrew Napolitano > and your answer is: ??? > you attack "Barry" in particular but none of his predecessors, why? Huh? I mentioned when the republicans rose to power on "change" and failed to change a damn thing. Plus I tried to stay with RECENT betrayals. Do try to keep up. > you specifically mention Health Care but specifically don't mention > Medicare Part D and EMTALA - why? Why would I need to? That was part of the bigger government republicans gave us after promising smaller government. See way above. Your D vs. R mindset has blinded you. Shrub did run againsts Clinton's interventionist foreign policy but few people are stupid enough to believe that neo-cons are anti-war. > I think I've got your number guy. the anti-gov folks are pretty much > saying both parties are bad - but who do they support for change? > that's right - groups that will vote WITH THE Party of "no" if they > get elected. The two party scam that you've clearly fallen for always has the wing that is out of the management seat talking all about our rights and limited government, except they don't deliever. Team D, now they are in power love everything they complained about the republicans doing. Vice versa when team R took power. > that's why I ask what your answer is..... what is it? > who do you want elected to office? do you VOTE? Who do you vote for? Back to your misconception that voting matters. Voting rarely matters for two key reasons: 1) It is a system set up to maintain the status quo. Essentially it is rigged. Very rarely does someone who isn't playing ball get through to be elected to office. 2) Because seemingly few people have the moral character not to vote themselves something from their neighbors and not to tell their neighbors how to live. Who I vote for is irrelevant, because who I vote for doesn't reach office for which I can vote them. When my vote actually matters then it will be a subject of discussion.
From: Brent on 4 May 2010 19:32 On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > as bad as we think it is.. we did vote the very first black man to the > Presidency and that did not happen because people distrusted the > system or this guy. If you vote for the lesser of two evils you endorse evil. You give it permission and justification to do what it does. For many/most people it goes further, when the lesser evil they voted for does something evil they have to defend it even when they know what was done was wrong. Evil knows this and plays it for all its worth. The whole society declines with this practice. The brutality that so many americans now cheer on is a prime example.
From: Brent on 4 May 2010 23:06
On 2010-05-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 4, 7:32�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-05-04, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > as bad as we think it is.. we did vote the very first black man to the >> > Presidency and that did not happen because people distrusted the >> > system or this guy. >> >> If you vote for the lesser of two evils you endorse evil. You give it >> permission and justification to do what it does. For many/most people it >> goes further, when the lesser evil they voted for does something evil >> they have to defend it even when they know what was done was wrong. Evil >> knows this and plays it for all its worth. The whole society declines >> with this practice. The brutality that so many americans now cheer on is >> a prime example. > > I would say that many of your choices in life are along the same lines > in some respect. If you vote - then you do this -right? you're way > off the deep end...on this IMHO. We don't cheer it on... we do the > best we can given the circumstances. That my friend, is life. If that's what lets you sleep at night. Meanwhile your vote for D or R (in most cases with few exceptions) is your vote for killing people on the other side of the planet with remote controlled weapons, your seal of approval of what the banksters are doing, your seal of approval on all sorts of actions. There is a reason why government wants people to vote. It wants that seal of approval. Voting is something you can choose not to do. You can even choose not to vote for any of the choices for a specific office yet vote for someone running for some other office. You can sometimes write someone in. It simply isn't like other things in life, it is totally optional. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loH5kALsj34 Lame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTL7P3c3_Ag |