From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Fri, 7 May 2010 10:57:36 +0000 (UTC), boltar2003(a)boltar.world
wrote:

>How about the extra strain on social services such as healthcare?

yep

>No to mention the insistance of the PC brigade that every muppet who can't
>speak english yet expects to live here has to have a translator or translated
>documents when dealing with local government and NHS issues - at taxpayers
>expense of course.

there's also the complaint that some schools end up concentrating on
basic English etc to the detriment of the "native" students etc etc
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Adrian on
boltar2003(a)boltar.world gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>>I don't think there is any way in which "poor british born people" are
>>"disadvantaged" by "large influxes of immigration". I'm happy for you to
>>show me one, though...?

> How about housing rents having gone up due to the shortage because of
> the extra few million people?

That's OK - the poor have them subsidised or paid entirely through
benefits. They're not available to immigrants.

> How about pay rates of some industries being forced down because some
> immigrants can quite happily live on a low wage when sharing a caravan
> with 5 others which a man with a family can't live on?

That's OK - minimum wage still applies, and there's tax credits etc to
top up for those whose incomes are inadequate. They're not available to
immigrants.

> How about the extra strain on social services such as healthcare?

The vast majority of migrants aren't entitled anyway.

Seems to me that the only preferential treatment is going the other way.

> No to mention the insistance of the PC brigade that every muppet who
> can't speak english yet expects to live here has to have a translator or
> translated documents when dealing with local government and NHS issues -
> at taxpayers expense of course.

Mmm. Because so many Brits who move abroad are fluent in the language of
the country they choose to move to, aren't they?

> And lastly how about the general cultural impact of all the immigrants?
> And please don't give me the multiculturalism is wonderful line. Thats
> an opinion, not a fact.

It is indeed an opinion - just as your opinion that it's a problem is.
The fact is that "multi-culturalism" doesn't have the slightest bit of
effect on you unless you want it to. Nobody else can tell you how to live
your own life. It's merely a case of asking for that same respect to be
extended to allow others to do likewise. Is that a problem for you?
From: Adrian on
ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>> yes, all over Europe.

>>Mmm. It's worked so well in Belgium, Italy, Germany lately...

> the problems in Italy and Belgium are not of the electoral system,

Third time the PM's resigned in two years?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8645344.stm

And as for Berlusconi and the chaos around him...

> Germany is pretty successful

Mmm. That'll be why their coalition is so chaotic, only a few months
after being sellotaped together on a "clear victory".

> Greece with a majority government isn't.

<shrug> So?
From: Adrian on
ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>You seem to be arguing both in favour of and against several of them
>>simultaneously.

> I hadn't set out an ideal solution at all.

I noticed.
From: Adrian on
ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>I don't think there is any way in which "poor british born people" are
>>"disadvantaged" by "large influxes of immigration". I'm happy for you to
>>show me one, though...?

> competition for council houses is the obvious example.

What are they?