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From: cuhulin on 30 May 2010 18:05 No Mgnesium in Sea water? There is a Lot of Magnesium in Sea water.Oodles and oodles of it.And Gold and many other things too. http://www.devilfinder.com Magnesium in Sea cuhulin
From: cuhulin on 30 May 2010 20:42 Energy expert: Nuking oil well only thing we can do. http://rawstory.com If they do that, it might create a giant hole in that oil gusher/oil volcano well. Hayba lobba lobba lobba ling ling long,,,, they have ruined our Gulf and now it is gone,,,, I want our Gulf to come back home,,,, Hayba lobba lobba lobba ling ling long,,,,, I want our Gulf to come back home,,,,,,, cuhulin
From: hls on 31 May 2010 10:48 "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote in message > > The other main ingredient of soap is usually oil. Since you have plenty > of oil already, there is a lot less to be gained by adding soap since > soap is itself mostly made of oil. Saponification of the oil (turning it > into soap) would cause it to dissolve in water and break apart. But to > do that you would need to contain the oil to get it to react with lye. > If you could contain the oil you would have already solved the problem. > > > -jim Many true soaps are made from vegetable oils, such as tall oil, coconut oil, etc. These are not chemically very similar to petroleum hydrocarbons ("oil") since they are triglyceride esters. Many of our ancestors made "lye soap" by heating lard or other ester oils with caustic soda (sodium hydroxide or even wood ashes would work) to split the ester, forming the sodium or potassium salts and glycerine. These soaps had a lot of "lye" left in them and would clean clothes pretty well if you had soft water. If you had hard water (excess of calcium, magnesium, etc), they didnt work well at all, formed "Gorilla snot", and left grayed deteriorated clothing. Calling these oil slick dispersants "soap" was always just a misnomer. Dispersants were often formulated on things such as oleic acid partial esters of glycerol, which is nonionic as such, and which biodegrades easily. You could eat this stuff, and it does not poison the sea. The fact, as I see it, is that BP had no idea how much oil was being lost into the Gulf. Yesterday it was aired that the true volume of contamination may be as much as 20,000 barrels per day (840,000 US gallons). That is too much to even consider treating as an oil slick or minor spill. "Top kill" could have worked IF they could have gotten the mud to bottom hole. To do this most easily, they would have had to pump it down the drill string and fill from the bottom (and then it wouldnt have been "top kill"). Trying to pump it into the well casing while the well is blowing just aspirates the mud out through the leaks and into the sea, IMO. Now they are going to try to cut off the top of the surface casing and pull the oil BOP away, then attach a new valve assembly. I want to know where the drill string is right now. Did the drill string blow out of the hole (I dont think so, but that used to happen a lot before the BOP was used.) Having that "fish" in the hole wont make things any easier. Ex President of Shell make some comments yesterday about the "blowout protectors". Wrote a book. Someone should tell him that the common term is "blowout preventor". I am sure he can identify oil on his Cesar salad.
From: jim on 31 May 2010 13:49 hls wrote: > > "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote in message > > > > The other main ingredient of soap is usually oil. Since you have plenty > > of oil already, there is a lot less to be gained by adding soap since > > soap is itself mostly made of oil. Saponification of the oil (turning it > > into soap) would cause it to dissolve in water and break apart. But to > > do that you would need to contain the oil to get it to react with lye. > > If you could contain the oil you would have already solved the problem. > > > > > > -jim > > Many true soaps are made from vegetable oils, such as tall oil, coconut oil, > etc. These are not chemically very similar to petroleum hydrocarbons > ("oil") > since they are triglyceride esters. Many of our ancestors made "lye soap" > by heating lard or other ester oils with caustic soda (sodium hydroxide or > even wood ashes would work) to split the ester, forming the sodium or > potassium salts and glycerine. > > These soaps had a lot of "lye" left in them and would clean clothes pretty > well if you had soft water. If you had hard water (excess of calcium, > magnesium, etc), they didnt work well at all, formed "Gorilla snot", and > left grayed deteriorated clothing. In this context how well soap will wash clothes isn't important and they do make soap from petroleum. > > Calling these oil slick dispersants "soap" was always just a misnomer. > > Dispersants were often formulated on things such as oleic acid partial > esters of > glycerol, which is nonionic as such, and which biodegrades easily. You > could eat this stuff, and it does not poison the sea. > > The fact, as I see it, is that BP had no idea how much oil was being lost > into the Gulf. Yesterday it was aired that the true volume of contamination > may be as much as 20,000 barrels per day (840,000 US gallons). That > is too much to even consider treating as an oil slick or minor spill. The spill may be as large as 95000 bbl/day. > > "Top kill" could have worked IF they could have gotten the mud to bottom > hole. To do this most easily, they would have had to pump it down the > drill string and fill from the bottom (and then it wouldnt have been "top > kill"). > Trying to pump it into the well casing while the well is blowing just > aspirates > the mud out through the leaks and into the sea, IMO. The hope was that the riser being partially collapsed would offer enough resistance to flow that the pressure would build high enough at the top of the well to force the mud down the hole. > > Now they are going to try to cut off the top of the surface casing and pull > the oil BOP away, then attach a new valve assembly. I want to know > where the drill string is right now. Did the drill string blow out of the > hole (I dont think so, but that used to happen a lot before the BOP was > used.) Having that "fish" in the hole wont make things any easier. I don't think the drill is involved. Drilling was over. They were getting the well ready for production when the original accident occurred. They now are planning to saw off the riser and drop a cap over it that can suck up the oil. http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033657&contentId=7062491 This looks to me like they are complete idiots. When they saw off the riser it will become a real gusher and they won't be able to get their cap that is on the end of a mile long straw anywhere near the pipe due to the pressure coming out of the well. Maybe the plan is to first fasten the cap to the BOP housing so that all they have to do is draw it down onto the open pipe after the riser is sawn through and falls away. If they can shear the riser then they should have been able to just crush the riser flat but not cut it off. That would have restricted the flow out enough that the top kill would have had a chance to work. It looks to me that whole top kill procedure was done for show. BP would prefer to construct a solution that recovers oil from the well. -jim > > Ex President of Shell make some comments yesterday about the > "blowout protectors". Wrote a book. Someone should tell him that > the common term is "blowout preventor". I am sure he can identify > oil on his Cesar salad.
From: cuhulin on 31 May 2010 14:51
I saw/heard on a tv news program a few days ago, they will use a diamond wire to cut off the pipe, but first they will put more mud down into the pipe to (hopefully) slow down the oil gusher.They hope that will give them a few moments to place the new cap over the sawed off pipe. I am not too up on such things like that. cuhulin |