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From: cuhulin on 1 Jun 2010 11:54 On the web, whichever search engine you prefer, The Importance of Port Fourchon,Louisiana Also pertaining to commerce Shipping up and down the Mississippi River.Last week, I heard on a radio talk show, http://www.supertalkms.com JT and Dave radio talk show) at least one of those big Ship's engines in the Gulf of Mexico did stop working because of the BP oil in the Gulf of Mexico. cuhulin
From: jim on 1 Jun 2010 13:27 Bob Cooper wrote: > > > > They can't crush the pipe with the jaws. The live video shows the jaws crushing the pipe at this very moment. -jim
From: Bob Cooper on 1 Jun 2010 13:36 In article <rLKdneVWwYemqJjRnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d(a)bright.net>, "sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net says... > > > > > They can't crush the pipe with the jaws. > > Why not? If they can cut through the pipe with those jaws, they could > certainly crush it enough to significantly reduce the flow (assuming you > replace the sharp blade with something not so sharp). > The point remains that the top kill and junk shot failed because the > riser pipe didn't offer enough resistance to flow and thus they couldn't > overcome the pressure from below. It is apparent that they could have > mechanically increased the pipes resistance by using the jaws to > squeeze the pipe closed. > And maybe that riser pipe would crack instead of crimp, just wasting time. And maybe they could make all worse by cracking the BOP right off the stack in the attempt. I think the BOP is restricting the flow. > > > They're using a saw. > > They're using saws for some operations but the published plan is to > shear the main pipe through which the oil is leaking into the gulf using > the jaws. If you watched the live stream you would have observed the > jaws that are going to shear the pipe are already in place. > I think the jaws are just to move the mess out of the way. The riser system is more than one pipe, and maybe not even suitable for crimping, as the BOP was supoosed to do to the stack. I haven't seen a published plan, just heard and seen dipicted on TV what's happening. Cut most the riser away with a saw, move it out of the way, then saw the remainder off right above the BOP, getting a clean even cut there, maybe with a different type saw. I've heard nothing about shearing. > BP is required by federal law to have a plan in place and to make that > plan available to the public. Perhaps if you read BP's plan you might > stop guessing and you would know what BP says they can do. > Sure. Post the plan here. I'll read it. > > > > You're nuts about them preferring a spill to shutting down the well too. > > It is a reasonable interpretation of the facts. > > What they appear to prefer is to start pumping up into a tanker the 10 > million dollars worth of oil this well can produce every day. The cost > in terms of leakage into the gulf may be calculated as a smaller cost > than forfeiting the chance to acquire the oil. > > > They'll still get the oil out with the relief wells. > > According to BP plan, if the top kill succeeded, the next step would > have been to fill the pipe with cement. > So what? They can always drill more holes. The oil ain't going nowhere. Something I haven't heard mentioned is whether the spouting might subside on its own, as well pressure is relieved. The flow looks weaker than earlier pictures, but that might be wrong.
From: jim on 1 Jun 2010 14:34 Bob Cooper wrote: > > In article <rLKdneVWwYemqJjRnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d(a)bright.net>, > "sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net says... > > > > > > > > They can't crush the pipe with the jaws. > > > > Why not? If they can cut through the pipe with those jaws, they could > > certainly crush it enough to significantly reduce the flow (assuming you > > replace the sharp blade with something not so sharp). > > The point remains that the top kill and junk shot failed because the > > riser pipe didn't offer enough resistance to flow and thus they couldn't > > overcome the pressure from below. It is apparent that they could have > > mechanically increased the pipes resistance by using the jaws to > > squeeze the pipe closed. > > > And maybe that riser pipe would crack instead of crimp, just wasting > time. > And maybe they could make all worse by cracking the BOP right off the > stack in the attempt. I think the BOP is restricting the flow. Watch the live video and see if any of those wild guesses are valid. The top kill operation was performed with the end of the riser pipe wide open. The amount they have already crushed the pipe so far would have been an improvement over a wide open end. If the pipe had been squished in numerous places (including the wide open end) the junk-shot that was supposed to plug up the pipe would probably have had a chance to work instead of just flowing out the wide open end of the pipe. > > > > > > They're using a saw. > > > > They're using saws for some operations but the published plan is to > > shear the main pipe through which the oil is leaking into the gulf using > > the jaws. If you watched the live stream you would have observed the > > jaws that are going to shear the pipe are already in place. > > > > I think the jaws are just to move the mess out of the way. The riser > system is more than one pipe, and maybe not even suitable for crimping, > as the BOP was supoosed to do to the stack. > I haven't seen a published plan, just heard and seen dipicted on TV > what's happening. > Cut most the riser away with a saw, move it out of the way, then saw the > remainder off right above the BOP, getting a clean even cut there, maybe > with a different type saw. > I've heard nothing about shearing. That makes you poorly informed. > > > BP is required by federal law to have a plan in place and to make that > > plan available to the public. Perhaps if you read BP's plan you might > > stop guessing and you would know what BP says they can do. > > > Sure. Post the plan here. I'll read it. I already posted the specific part of the plan involving the shears two posts before you started making your wild guesses. http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033657&contentId=7062491 This particular plan is only a temporary solution to salvage the hole with a temporary cap that they don't expect to be 100% leak free, but will allow thenm to capture most of the oil. They are building another larger housing that they hope to install by end of June that they say will be a permanent leak free attachment that will allow them to extract oil from the well. > > > > > > > You're nuts about them preferring a spill to shutting down the well too. > > > > It is a reasonable interpretation of the facts. > > > > What they appear to prefer is to start pumping up into a tanker the 10 > > million dollars worth of oil this well can produce every day. The cost > > in terms of leakage into the gulf may be calculated as a smaller cost > > than forfeiting the chance to acquire the oil. > > > > > They'll still get the oil out with the relief wells. > > > > According to BP plan, if the top kill succeeded, the next step would > > have been to fill the pipe with cement. > > > > So what? They can always drill more holes. The oil ain't going > nowhere. You mean the oil wouldn't be going anywhere if the top kill had worked. It is certainly going somewhere now that the top kill failed. You probably didn't know this, but it costs big big money to drill a hole like this. And BP is acting as if doing anything that means losing this hole would cost more than cleaning up the mess that follows if they proceed to a conclusion that allows them to salvage the hole. If they do succeed in turning this into a producing well their stock is going to bounce right back to where it was so there is a massive amount of money to be lost if they lose the hole. > Something I haven't heard mentioned is whether the spouting might > subside on its own, as well pressure is relieved. It could take 10 years or more before the pressure subsides on its own. > The flow looks weaker than earlier pictures, but that might be wrong.
From: Bob Cooper on 1 Jun 2010 15:41
In article <LuqdncFZUe0Gz5jRnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)bright.net>, "sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net says... > > > Watch the live video and see if any of those wild guesses are valid. The > top kill operation was performed with the end of the riser pipe wide > open. The amount they have already crushed the pipe so far would have > been an improvement over a wide open end. If the pipe had been squished > in numerous places (including the wide open end) the junk-shot that was > supposed to plug up the pipe would probably have had a chance to work > instead of just flowing out the wide open end of the pipe. > What I saw so far is a circular saw making the cut and the jaws appearing to carry away and drop the riser. Didn't see it all. Like watching paint dry. > > > > > > > > > > They're using a saw. > > > > > > They're using saws for some operations but the published plan is to > > > shear the main pipe through which the oil is leaking into the gulf using > > > the jaws. If you watched the live stream you would have observed the > > > jaws that are going to shear the pipe are already in place. > > > > > > > I think the jaws are just to move the mess out of the way. The riser > > system is more than one pipe, and maybe not even suitable for crimping, > > as the BOP was supoosed to do to the stack. > > I haven't seen a published plan, just heard and seen dipicted on TV > > what's happening. > > Cut most the riser away with a saw, move it out of the way, then saw the > > remainder off right above the BOP, getting a clean even cut there, maybe > > with a different type saw. > > I've heard nothing about shearing. > > That makes you poorly informed. > Maybe. I can live with that. > > > > > > BP is required by federal law to have a plan in place and to make that > > > plan available to the public. Perhaps if you read BP's plan you might > > > stop guessing and you would know what BP says they can do. > > > > > Sure. Post the plan here. I'll read it. > > I already posted the specific part of the plan involving the shears two > posts before you started making your wild guesses. > > http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033657&contentId=7062491 > Thanks. Looks like what I saw depicted on TV, but couldn't read the text. Wonder why that makes no mention of the circular saw. Looks like the "collar" they're using would make sustaining pressure for a topkill more practical now. But they might be at the point mentally they just want to forge ahead with sucking up the oil to stop the increasing public hysteria. > > > You probably didn't know this, but it costs big big money to drill a > hole like this. And BP is acting as if doing anything that means losing > this hole would cost more than cleaning up the mess that follows if > they proceed to a conclusion that allows them to salvage the hole. If > they do succeed in turning this into a producing well their stock is > going to bounce right back to where it was so there is a massive amount > of money to be lost if they lose the hole. > They're drilling 2 relief well holes right now. To plug the cuurent hole. Maybe they can use part of that drilling to redirect the bit to punch another hole in the reservoir after they plug the leaking hole. They'll probably get their oil in any event. |