From: NM on
On 6 Mar, 21:55, "alan.holmes" <alan.holme...(a)somewhere.net> wrote:
> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
> > Ret. wrote:
> >> Doug wrote:
> >>> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it
> >>>>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces.
>
> >>>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for
> >>>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those
> >>>> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in
> >>>> a big city may feel somewhat different.
>
> >>> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I
> >>> used to use for parking
>
> >>>> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should
> >>>> be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain
> >>>> car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable
> >>>> revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund
> >>>> your lifestyle.
>
> >>> What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I
> >>> don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the
> >>> inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable.
>
> >> What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society can
> >> only operate with the ready availability of personal transport.
>
> >> If all existing car owners were required to park on the road rather than
> >> partially on the pavement, then fire-engines and ambulances would be
> >> unable to get anywhere near half the homes in the country.
>
> > Yes, but requiring people to park cars on the road would be an odd law to
> > pass. It wopuld be more logical to ban the practice (at one's home, at any
> > rate).
>
> > As for the needs of the emergency services, the parking of vehicles so as
> > to effectively prevent attendance at emergencies should be a simple and
> > straightforward offence - no ifs, buts or excuses. I would never (genuine
> > emergencies excepted) leave a car in a position whch caused such
> > obstruction. Would you?
>
> > The fact is, if one hasn't got somewhere of one's own to park a car at
> > home, one should not expect the rest of the citizenry to provide it FOC,
> > often out of scarce, limited, resources with alternative uses - like
> > letting fire-appliances and ambulances get to emergencies.
>
> >> Because of today's mobile society, many people have to travel miles to
> >> get to work and, despite claims to the contrary, public transport is
> >> wholly unable to fulfill that need.
>
> > All true. It still doesn't mean that facilities should be provided to some
> > driver (but not to others) FOC. Cars and their running cost money. Parking
> > (at home) costs money.
>
> >> What do you think would happen to the economy if everyone who did not
> >> have an off-road parking space had to get rid of their cars?
>
> > The economy would get a huge boost as they all sought accommodation with
> > garages?
>
> You have a very strange attitude about garages, are you not aware that it is
> essential to fill your garage with essential and valuable stuff which others
> may look upon as rubbish, but it not.
>
> But it leaves no room for unnecessary stuff like cars.
>
> Alan

You've been to my garage haven't you. I rent it for the motorbike
which I can only just still squeeze in.
From: stephen.hull on
In message <90afa830-4317-4dc7-9cf0-2f8a1e986cb2(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote:

>On 6 Mar, 22:33, FrengaX <hnkjqr...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 10:20�am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > > > So if every car was parked on roads and pavements that would be about
>> > > > 100 per mile on average but more in urban areas and less in rural. In
>> > > > London it must be closer to 1000 per mile parked on roads and
>> > > > pavements. Nasty eh?
>>
>> > > 100 per mile? A nuke us 5280 feet. That means one car per 5 feet 3
>> > > inches. I think your own maths is way out. Try applying some
>> > > reasonable thought before making ridiculous pronouncements.
>>
>> > Pot kettle.
>>
>> How so? It wasn't I suggesting 1000 cars per mile (typos aside),
>> which gives about a third of a car length per car(!), it was you.
>>
>Duh! Cars park on both sides of the road and there are 1609 metres per
>mile.
>>

If talking in miles, then surely you mean 1760 yards not metres.

Stephen.


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From: alan.holmes on

"NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message
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> On 6 Mar, 21:55, "alan.holmes" <alan.holme...(a)somewhere.net> wrote:
>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:xMedncsZ1sy7HAzWnZ2dnUVZ7rednZ2d(a)pipex.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Ret. wrote:
>> >> Doug wrote:
>> >>> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when
>> >>>>> it
>> >>>>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces.
>>
>> >>>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for
>> >>>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it.
>> >>>> Those
>> >>>> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in
>> >>>> a big city may feel somewhat different.
>>
>> >>> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I
>> >>> used to use for parking
>>
>> >>>> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should
>> >>>> be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain
>> >>>> car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable
>> >>>> revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund
>> >>>> your lifestyle.
>>
>> >>> What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I
>> >>> don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the
>> >>> inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable.
>>
>> >> What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society
>> >> can
>> >> only operate with the ready availability of personal transport.
>>
>> >> If all existing car owners were required to park on the road rather
>> >> than
>> >> partially on the pavement, then fire-engines and ambulances would be
>> >> unable to get anywhere near half the homes in the country.
>>
>> > Yes, but requiring people to park cars on the road would be an odd law
>> > to
>> > pass. It wopuld be more logical to ban the practice (at one's home, at
>> > any
>> > rate).
>>
>> > As for the needs of the emergency services, the parking of vehicles so
>> > as
>> > to effectively prevent attendance at emergencies should be a simple and
>> > straightforward offence - no ifs, buts or excuses. I would never
>> > (genuine
>> > emergencies excepted) leave a car in a position whch caused such
>> > obstruction. Would you?
>>
>> > The fact is, if one hasn't got somewhere of one's own to park a car at
>> > home, one should not expect the rest of the citizenry to provide it
>> > FOC,
>> > often out of scarce, limited, resources with alternative uses - like
>> > letting fire-appliances and ambulances get to emergencies.
>>
>> >> Because of today's mobile society, many people have to travel miles to
>> >> get to work and, despite claims to the contrary, public transport is
>> >> wholly unable to fulfill that need.
>>
>> > All true. It still doesn't mean that facilities should be provided to
>> > some
>> > driver (but not to others) FOC. Cars and their running cost money.
>> > Parking
>> > (at home) costs money.
>>
>> >> What do you think would happen to the economy if everyone who did not
>> >> have an off-road parking space had to get rid of their cars?
>>
>> > The economy would get a huge boost as they all sought accommodation
>> > with
>> > garages?
>>
>> You have a very strange attitude about garages, are you not aware that it
>> is
>> essential to fill your garage with essential and valuable stuff which
>> others
>> may look upon as rubbish, but it not.
>>
>> But it leaves no room for unnecessary stuff like cars.
>>
>> Alan
>
> You've been to my garage haven't you. I rent it for the motorbike
> which I can only just still squeeze in.

You must have a lot of spare room?

Alan



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