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From: NM on 7 Mar 2010 12:10 On 6 Mar, 21:55, "alan.holmes" <alan.holme...(a)somewhere.net> wrote: > "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > > news:xMedncsZ1sy7HAzWnZ2dnUVZ7rednZ2d(a)pipex.net... > > > > > Ret. wrote: > >> Doug wrote: > >>> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: > >>>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > >>>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it > >>>>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. > > >>>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for > >>>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those > >>>> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in > >>>> a big city may feel somewhat different. > > >>> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I > >>> used to use for parking > > >>>> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should > >>>> be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain > >>>> car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable > >>>> revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund > >>>> your lifestyle. > > >>> What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I > >>> don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the > >>> inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable. > > >> What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society can > >> only operate with the ready availability of personal transport. > > >> If all existing car owners were required to park on the road rather than > >> partially on the pavement, then fire-engines and ambulances would be > >> unable to get anywhere near half the homes in the country. > > > Yes, but requiring people to park cars on the road would be an odd law to > > pass. It wopuld be more logical to ban the practice (at one's home, at any > > rate). > > > As for the needs of the emergency services, the parking of vehicles so as > > to effectively prevent attendance at emergencies should be a simple and > > straightforward offence - no ifs, buts or excuses. I would never (genuine > > emergencies excepted) leave a car in a position whch caused such > > obstruction. Would you? > > > The fact is, if one hasn't got somewhere of one's own to park a car at > > home, one should not expect the rest of the citizenry to provide it FOC, > > often out of scarce, limited, resources with alternative uses - like > > letting fire-appliances and ambulances get to emergencies. > > >> Because of today's mobile society, many people have to travel miles to > >> get to work and, despite claims to the contrary, public transport is > >> wholly unable to fulfill that need. > > > All true. It still doesn't mean that facilities should be provided to some > > driver (but not to others) FOC. Cars and their running cost money. Parking > > (at home) costs money. > > >> What do you think would happen to the economy if everyone who did not > >> have an off-road parking space had to get rid of their cars? > > > The economy would get a huge boost as they all sought accommodation with > > garages? > > You have a very strange attitude about garages, are you not aware that it is > essential to fill your garage with essential and valuable stuff which others > may look upon as rubbish, but it not. > > But it leaves no room for unnecessary stuff like cars. > > Alan You've been to my garage haven't you. I rent it for the motorbike which I can only just still squeeze in.
From: stephen.hull on 7 Mar 2010 14:03 In message <90afa830-4317-4dc7-9cf0-2f8a1e986cb2(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote: >On 6 Mar, 22:33, FrengaX <hnkjqr...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: >> On Mar 6, 10:20�am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > So if every car was parked on roads and pavements that would be about >> > > > 100 per mile on average but more in urban areas and less in rural. In >> > > > London it must be closer to 1000 per mile parked on roads and >> > > > pavements. Nasty eh? >> >> > > 100 per mile? A nuke us 5280 feet. That means one car per 5 feet 3 >> > > inches. I think your own maths is way out. Try applying some >> > > reasonable thought before making ridiculous pronouncements. >> >> > Pot kettle. >> >> How so? It wasn't I suggesting 1000 cars per mile (typos aside), >> which gives about a third of a car length per car(!), it was you. >> >Duh! Cars park on both sides of the road and there are 1609 metres per >mile. >> If talking in miles, then surely you mean 1760 yards not metres. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: alan.holmes on 7 Mar 2010 14:58
"NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:e74bcaef-19cf-4a3c-a675-4a1eb6f8e91a(a)y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On 6 Mar, 21:55, "alan.holmes" <alan.holme...(a)somewhere.net> wrote: >> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:xMedncsZ1sy7HAzWnZ2dnUVZ7rednZ2d(a)pipex.net... >> >> >> >> > Ret. wrote: >> >> Doug wrote: >> >>> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >>>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >>>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when >> >>>>> it >> >>>>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. >> >> >>>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for >> >>>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. >> >>>> Those >> >>>> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in >> >>>> a big city may feel somewhat different. >> >> >>> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I >> >>> used to use for parking >> >> >>>> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should >> >>>> be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain >> >>>> car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable >> >>>> revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund >> >>>> your lifestyle. >> >> >>> What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I >> >>> don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the >> >>> inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable. >> >> >> What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society >> >> can >> >> only operate with the ready availability of personal transport. >> >> >> If all existing car owners were required to park on the road rather >> >> than >> >> partially on the pavement, then fire-engines and ambulances would be >> >> unable to get anywhere near half the homes in the country. >> >> > Yes, but requiring people to park cars on the road would be an odd law >> > to >> > pass. It wopuld be more logical to ban the practice (at one's home, at >> > any >> > rate). >> >> > As for the needs of the emergency services, the parking of vehicles so >> > as >> > to effectively prevent attendance at emergencies should be a simple and >> > straightforward offence - no ifs, buts or excuses. I would never >> > (genuine >> > emergencies excepted) leave a car in a position whch caused such >> > obstruction. Would you? >> >> > The fact is, if one hasn't got somewhere of one's own to park a car at >> > home, one should not expect the rest of the citizenry to provide it >> > FOC, >> > often out of scarce, limited, resources with alternative uses - like >> > letting fire-appliances and ambulances get to emergencies. >> >> >> Because of today's mobile society, many people have to travel miles to >> >> get to work and, despite claims to the contrary, public transport is >> >> wholly unable to fulfill that need. >> >> > All true. It still doesn't mean that facilities should be provided to >> > some >> > driver (but not to others) FOC. Cars and their running cost money. >> > Parking >> > (at home) costs money. >> >> >> What do you think would happen to the economy if everyone who did not >> >> have an off-road parking space had to get rid of their cars? >> >> > The economy would get a huge boost as they all sought accommodation >> > with >> > garages? >> >> You have a very strange attitude about garages, are you not aware that it >> is >> essential to fill your garage with essential and valuable stuff which >> others >> may look upon as rubbish, but it not. >> >> But it leaves no room for unnecessary stuff like cars. >> >> Alan > > You've been to my garage haven't you. I rent it for the motorbike > which I can only just still squeeze in. You must have a lot of spare room? Alan |