From: Clark F Morris on
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:19:51 -0700, richard <member(a)newsguy.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:22:24 -0800 (PST), hancock4(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 10:44�am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, and I never will. Privacy aspects aside, these programs are going
>>> to reward Sloth and punish "aggressive" drivers like me.
>>
>>
>> Previously on this newsgroup the issue of privacy came up, such as in
>> ease of so-called 'public' records may be access anywhere by anyone.
>> Nobody posted any objection and several posters were totally in favor
>> of easy public access to records.
>>
>> Soon systems like the above will not be optional but mandatory. They
>> may simply order it to be include, or perhaps use a roundabout way by
>> jacking up your insurance rates really high unless you have it.
>>
>> As stated here before, the real 'big brother' is the private sector.
>
>Anything any government in the USA produces is public record.
>As this "black box" is offered by a private business, those records can not
>be so easily accessed.

Do you really think that the insurance companies won't share them?
This could be a law enforcement bonanza.
From: T.J. Higgins on
In article <lpman51maghr2i74fc1mamu94nac1e1r1e(a)4ax.com>, Clark F Morris wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:19:51 -0700, richard <member(a)newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:22:24 -0800 (PST), hancock4(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> As stated here before, the real 'big brother' is the private sector.
>>
>>Anything any government in the USA produces is public record.
>>As this "black box" is offered by a private business, those records can not
>>be so easily accessed.
>
>Do you really think that the insurance companies won't share them?
>This could be a law enforcement bonanza.

Of course it will. Insurance companies, GEICO in particular,
already buy radar guns to give to police departments, so that
the insurance companies will collect higher premiums after you
get those speeding tickets.

--
TJH

tjhiggin.at.hiwaay.dot.net
From: Larry G on
On Feb 12, 2:13 pm, ernest.p.worr...(a)vernal.equinox.edu (T.J. Higgins)
wrote:
> In article <lpman51maghr2i74fc1mamu94nac1e1...(a)4ax.com>, Clark F Morris  wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:19:51 -0700, richard <mem...(a)newsguy.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:22:24 -0800 (PST), hanco...(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> >>> As stated here before, the real 'big brother' is the private sector.
>
> >>Anything any government in the USA produces is public record.
> >>As this "black box" is offered by a private business, those records can not
> >>be so easily accessed.
>
> >Do you really think that the insurance companies won't share them?
> >This could be a law enforcement bonanza.  
>
> Of course it will.  Insurance companies, GEICO in particular,
> already buy radar guns to give to police departments, so that
> the insurance companies will collect higher premiums after you
> get those speeding tickets.

well.. the day will come if not already here where some folks simply
will not be able to obtain insurance without agreeing.

From: Brent on
On 2010-02-13, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> said:
>
>>Anything any government in the USA produces is public record.
>
> If you believe that, try getting copies of the Kennedy Assassination
> documents that the Warren Commission ordered sealed until 2039.

Actually the Warren commission date passed already. Congress extended
the time the records will be sealed. If the US federal government still
exists in 2039 and is current power structure still rules, there will
be another extension.

From: Larry G on
On Feb 12, 11:04 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> said:
>
> >well.. the day will come if not already here where some folks simply
> >will not be able to obtain insurance without agreeing.
>
> Which will only create a healthy black market for devices+software
> which can "sanitize" the data on these loggers.

maybe but let's say you ALREADY have a real accident record that has
cost the insurance company and they come back and say "No insurance
unless you put this device in your car" - very similar in concept to
these alcohol interlock systems.

keep in mind also that these devices can come with GPS and wireless
transmission.

Hacking ? sure.... some clever guy may figure it out... but the
average guy won't.

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