High Way Code omission
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From: Silk on 10 Jun 2010 11:09 On 10/06/2010 11:15, Mortimer wrote: > I'd want it the opposite way round I want to leave things as they are and educate drivers in the art of looking where they're going.
From: FrengaX on 10 Jun 2010 11:37 On Jun 10, 9:49 am, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 10 June, 07:38, "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> > wrote: > > > "Phil Bradby" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:huokj8$2l3$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > > > > Why not just establish priority, for example by saying that the car > > > moving back left always has priority? This would add clarity and remove > > > danger. > > > I'd say that the car moving right should have priority as they are doing so > > to be able to get past another vehicle. > > The one in L3 wanting to move left has already gone past whoever they were > > overtaking and won't be inconvenienced by staying in L3 for a while. > > > Alex > > That would be brilliant, countless times in the Scania I come up to > slower traffic and indicate to pull out but there is an endless > stream, of cars in the middle and outer lane who will not let me out, But that is not what is being discussed. No-one is advocating that you get priority over traffic that is already in the lane you want to move into. That's just daft. > some even accelerating to take up any gap I could enter rather than > letting me get in front of them, The worse are the ones in the middle > lane with no other traffic in the outer lane yet they will not pull > into the outer lane to give me room they just plod along in the centre > lane causing me to loose valuable, expensively won, momentum down to > their pure selfishness. Or inattention, or just plain lack of any kind of thought process whatsoever. The same people won't move left into an empty L1 either, even when there's a stack of traffic all bunching up behind, as they all squeeze past in L3.
From: Harry Bloomfield on 10 Jun 2010 17:03 Phil Bradby presented the following explanation : > Why is it, then, that in one very common situation priority gets left > undefined by the HWC? I'm thinking of carriageways with 3 or more lanes. > If there are vehicles in L1 and L3, then there is no defined priority for > moving into L2. Quite frequently travelling on motorways, I see this > situation, where both cars make for L2 at the same time: one of them > usually notices and swerves back into its original lane. > > Why not just establish priority, for example by saying that the car > moving back left always has priority? This would add clarity and remove > danger. Surely it is the safer option for NEITHER to have priority? If one had priority and the other party failed to notice the one with priority start to move, there is a greater risk of collision than if it were left to both parties to concede priority. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: JNugent on 10 Jun 2010 18:20 NM wrote: > "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote: >> "Phil Bradby" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: >>> Why not just establish priority, for example by saying that the car >>> moving back left always has priority? This would add clarity and remove >>> danger. >> I'd say that the car moving right should have priority as they are doing so >> to be able to get past another vehicle. >> The one in L3 wanting to move left has already gone past whoever they were >> overtaking and won't be inconvenienced by staying in L3 for a while. > That would be brilliant, countless times in the Scania I come up to > slower traffic and indicate to pull out but there is an endless > stream, of cars in the middle and outer lane who will not let me out, > some even accelerating to take up any gap I could enter rather than > letting me get in front of them, The worse are the ones in the middle > lane with no other traffic in the outer lane yet they will not pull > into the outer lane to give me room they just plod along in the centre > lane causing me to loose valuable, expensively won, momentum down to > their pure selfishness. You know what you *should* do in that situation, don't you? Stay in lane. Slow down. Brake if necessary. It's what everyone else has to do when they come up behind a pair of duelling lorry-drivers doing 52mph abreast and selfishly blocking the (2-lane) carriageway.
From: Mike Barnes on 11 Jun 2010 14:07
Mortimer <me(a)privacy.net>: >The root cause is speed limiters which are not all set to precisely the >same value Realistically, they can't be. >so lorry A which can do 57 mph tries to overtake lorry B which is >limited to 56 mph. Given that their speeds will be different because of the inevitable imprecision of speed limiters, it's better that the difference is as great as possible. A 3 mph difference would get things over and done with in a third of the time. -- Mike Barnes |