From: Tony Dragon on
Brimstone wrote:
>
>
> "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-throat(a)dibblers-pies.co.am> wrote in message
> news:R1hcn.254433$cU2.68214(a)newsfe22.ams2...
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 9 Feb, 09:37, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers-
>>> pies.co.am> wrote:
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> Also road deaths are among the top ten causes of death in the world,
>>>>> as a matter of interest for those here who are trying to play them
>>>>> down, at nine and is sixth in middle-income countries.. Now try to
>>>>> say they do not matter.
>>>>
>>>> To put all this in perspective, 830,000 die annually in the UK,
>>>> 2,500 of those from road accidents.
>>>>
>>> Closer to 3,000 plus those who die after 30 days of injury.
>>
>> It was actually 2538 in 2008.
>>
>> And you can compare that, if you like, with 8609 in 1940.
>>
>> In fact, if you look at the statistics over the years, Doug, you'll
>> find that the relationship between deaths and car numbers on the roads
>> is actually an inverse one. The greater the number of cars on the
>> road, the fewer fatalities.
>>
>> Why on earth are you not therefore advocating more and more cars
>> rather than fewer? It would save lives.
>>
>>
>>>> Road deaths thus account for just 3 in every 1000 deaths in the UK.
>>>> 99.7% of deaths occur because of other causes.
>>>>
>>> But they are not killed by other people.
>>
>> Not all of course, but a significant number, well in excess of those
>> that die on the roads, are killed through the negligence or
>> contributory negligence of others, by murder, manslaughter, neglect,
>> or other accidents.
>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any
>>>> one year.
>>>>
>>> Or about 1 in 266 in a lifetime.
>>
>> i.e. once in 266 lifetimes.
>>
>> Even if that is right, that still means 99.6% of deaths are from other
>> causes.
>>
>> But it's only right in Dougworld, where life expectancy is apparently
>> 97.74 years. Back in the real world it's considerably lower, at about
>> 80 years.
>>
>> If there's a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any
>> one year, then on average you'd have to live for 26000 years before
>> you died in one. I think most would take that risk in order to get
>> around, don't you?
>>
>> Whatever you say, Doug, it's pretty small beer.
>>
> Another interesting aspect is that the majority of people are never
> injured in a road traffic collision in their lives and yet Doug manages
> at least two, possibly more.
>
>

I wonder haw many accidents (sorry collisions / rammings)Doug has caused?
--
Tony Dragon
From: Christopher Bowlas on
On Feb 9, 7:58 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
> > "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers-pies.co.am> wrote in message
> >news:R1hcn.254433$cU2.68214(a)newsfe22.ams2...
> >> Doug wrote:
> >>> On 9 Feb, 09:37, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers-
> >>> pies.co.am> wrote:
> >>>> Doug wrote:
> >>>>> Also road deaths are among the top ten causes of death in the world,
> >>>>> as a matter of interest for those here who are trying to play them
> >>>>> down, at nine and is sixth in middle-income countries.. Now try to
> >>>>> say they do not matter.
>
> >>>> To put all this in perspective, 830,000 die annually in the UK,
> >>>> 2,500 of those from road accidents.
>
> >>> Closer to 3,000 plus those who die after 30 days of injury.
>
> >> It was actually 2538 in 2008.
>
> >> And you can compare that, if you like, with 8609 in 1940.
>
> >> In fact, if you look at the statistics over the years, Doug, you'll
> >> find that the relationship between deaths and car numbers on the roads
> >> is actually an inverse one.  The greater the number of cars on the
> >> road, the fewer fatalities.
>
> >> Why on earth are you not therefore advocating more and more cars
> >> rather than fewer?  It would save lives.
>
> >>>> Road deaths thus account for just 3 in every 1000 deaths in the UK.
> >>>> 99.7% of deaths occur because of other causes.
>
> >>> But they are not killed by other people.
>
> >> Not all of course, but a significant number, well in excess of those
> >> that die on the roads, are killed through the negligence or
> >> contributory negligence of others, by murder, manslaughter, neglect,
> >> or other accidents.
>
> >>>> There is a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any
> >>>> one year.
>
> >>> Or about 1 in 266 in a lifetime.
>
> >> i.e. once in 266 lifetimes.
>
> >> Even if that is right, that still means 99.6% of deaths are from other
> >> causes.
>
> >> But it's only right in Dougworld, where life expectancy is apparently
> >> 97.74 years.  Back in the real world it's considerably lower, at about
> >> 80 years.
>
> >> If there's a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any
> >> one year, then on average you'd have to live for 26000 years before
> >> you died in one.  I think most would take that risk in order to get
> >> around, don't you?
>
> >> Whatever you say, Doug, it's pretty small beer.
>
> > Another interesting aspect is that the majority of people are never
> > injured in a road traffic collision in their lives and yet Doug manages
> > at least two, possibly more.
>
> I wonder haw many accidents (sorry collisions / rammings)Doug has caused?

And whether he was wearing a plastic hat at the time?
From: Christopher Bowlas on
On Feb 7, 9:09 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> On 5 Feb, 20:25, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam-
> blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> > > Fatal injuries are recorded up to 30 days following a crash but how
> > > many die later from their injuries and are unrecorded?
>
> > >http://www.brake.org.uk/facts/faqukcasualties/1914
>
> > > "In 2007 (the latest year for which statistics are available) 2,946
> > > people were killed on Britain’s roads [1].
>
> > Hmmm.  0.00491% of the population.  Statistically irrelevant.
>
> > Heart disease - 20.2%
> > Cerebrovascular diseases - 7.9%
> > Lung cancer - 6.9%
> > Chronic lower respiratory disease - 5.6%
> > Flu/pneumonia - 5%
> > Prostate cancer - 3.7%
> > Colon cancer - 3.1%
> > Lymph cancers - 2.3%
> > Alzheimer's disease/dementia - 2.1%
> > Aortic aneurysm - 2%
>
> Very few of which are directly caused by other people, unlike road
> deaths. You see it is considered very bad in a civilised society to
> actually kill people, even if the punishments for doing so on our
> roads are slight to none.

How about boring people to death?
From: Christopher Bowlas on
On Feb 9, 7:31 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
> news:a7349974-4c11-4050-a7c9-be94f41cf72f(a)f12g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > What about, say, damage to the spine and paralysis of the lower body
> > which can have a serious effect on long-term health? Anything  which
> > permanently affects quality of life can shorten life.
>
> The number of times that you've been hit by cars seems to disprove that
> theory Doug, otherwise you wouldn't still be breathing and bashing out the
> same tired old messages.

Perhaps those collisions only caused brain damage?
From: Christopher Bowlas on
On Feb 9, 7:41 am, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> > Also road deaths are among the top ten causes of death in the world, as
> > a matter of interest for those here who are trying to play them down, at
> > nine and is sixth in middle-income countries.. Now try to say they do
> > not matter.
>
> >http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
>
> Actually, I think you'll find that that proves the point that - in the UK
> - they are relatively insignificant.
>
> If you want to address the subject in other countries, please - feel free..
>
> ca.driving - Canada
> alt.autos - US
> rec.autos.driving - US
> aus.cars - Australia

alt.usenet.kooks ?