How many die later from serious injuries on our roads?
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From: "Nightjar "cpb" on 9 Feb 2010 18:03 Doug wrote: .... > As deaths after 30 days of road crash injuries are not recorded as > such I was hoping for something like a guesstimate formula or ratio > based on some research sampling. You didn't like the answer when I gave you that elsewhere in this thread. Colin Bignell
From: Culex (The Infamous Culex) on 9 Feb 2010 18:32 On Feb 9, 11:03 pm, "Nightjar <\"cpb\"@" <"insertmysurnamehere> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > As deaths after 30 days of road crash injuries are not recorded as > > such I was hoping for something like a guesstimate formula or ratio > > based on some research sampling. > > You didn't like the answer when I gave you that elsewhere in this thread. When did Doug have his last accident?
From: Doug on 10 Feb 2010 01:53 On 9 Feb, 13:16, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:6a620913-2f75-45c3-a041-f4476aacf78c(a)z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > On 9 Feb, 09:37, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers- > > pies.co.am> wrote: > >> Doug wrote: > >> > Also road deaths are among the top ten causes of death in the world, > >> > as a matter of interest for those here who are trying to play them > >> > down, at nine and is sixth in middle-income countries.. Now try to say > >> > they do not matter. > > >> To put all this in perspective, 830,000 die annually in the UK, 2,500 of > >> those from road accidents. > > > Closer to 3,000 plus those who die after 30 days of injury. > > >> Road deaths thus account for just 3 in every 1000 deaths in the UK. > >> 99.7% > >> of deaths occur because of other causes. > > > But they are not killed by other people. > > >> There is a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any one > >> year. > > > Or about 1 in 266 in a lifetime. > > >> Whatever you say, Doug, it's pretty small beer. > > > I disagree. Being killed by other people is very serious stuff indeed, > > which is usually punished severely unless it happens on a road or > > pavement. > > It is indeed serious Doug. Apart from your usual mantra of banning all cars > what do you propose doing about it? > You are wrong again. I do not think all cars should be banned just that frivolous mass car use should be actively discouraged because of the widespread harm it causes. > > Locking people up after the event > doesn't prevent accidents so that's not a option either. > The basic problem lies with the general casual and uncaring attitude towards road deaths and a lack of proper punishments for causing such deaths. Mindsets need to be altered, both among drivers and within government and the justice system. Nothing more clearly illustrates this than the thousands of cars with dangerous faults which are allowed to continue to be driven on our roads. Presumably if anyone is killed because of such faults the killer driver will not be blamed and certainly a government which allows such cars on our roads will not be blamed. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Doug on 10 Feb 2010 02:13 On 9 Feb, 17:35, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers- pies.co.am> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > On 9 Feb, 09:37, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers- > > pies.co.am> wrote: > >> Doug wrote: > >>> Also road deaths are among the top ten causes of death in the world, > >>> as a matter of interest for those here who are trying to play them > >>> down, at nine and is sixth in middle-income countries.. Now try to > >>> say they do not matter. > > >> To put all this in perspective, 830,000 die annually in the UK, > >> 2,500 of those from road accidents. > > > Closer to 3,000 plus those who die after 30 days of injury. > > It was actually 2538 in 2008. > > And you can compare that, if you like, with 8609 in 1940. > Wartime. > > In fact, if you look at the statistics over the years, Doug, you'll find > that the relationship between deaths and car numbers on the roads is > actually an inverse one. The greater the number of cars on the road, the > fewer fatalities. > > Why on earth are you not therefore advocating more and more cars rather than > fewer? It would save lives. > Utter rubbish. The trend for fewer deaths can easily be explained due to the increase in car safety. About 50% of road deaths occur with car users. Unfortunately the vulnerable victims of killer motorists show no, such decline. As long as car user safety is prioritised at the expense of vulnerable road users the figures will seem low. > > >> Road deaths thus account for just 3 in every 1000 deaths in the UK. > >> 99.7% of deaths occur because of other causes. > > > But they are not killed by other people. > > Not all of course, but a significant number, well in excess of those that > die on the roads, are killed through the negligence or contributory > negligence of others, by murder, manslaughter, neglect, or other accidents. > Source? > > > >> There is a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any > >> one year. > > > Or about 1 in 266 in a lifetime. > > i.e. once in 266 lifetimes. > We are talking about the killing of a quarter of a million people in the UK during a lifetime. The chance of a serious injury affecting quality of life is of course much greater at about 1 in 26. > > Even if that is right, that still means 99.6% of deaths are from other > causes. > But not killings. > > But it's only right in Dougworld, where life expectancy is apparently 97.74 > years. Back in the real world it's considerably lower, at about 80 years. > > If there's a 1 in 26000 chance of you dying in a road accident in any one > year, then on average you'd have to live for 26000 years before you died in > one. I think most would take that risk in order to get around, don't you? > > Whatever you say, Doug, it's pretty small beer. > As one who has been run down twice and had numerous near misses I would rather not be exposed to such risks in order to merely get around. The situation is not helped either by drivers like you trying to make light of road deaths as if they didn't matter a jot. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Doug on 10 Feb 2010 02:15
On 9 Feb, 17:56, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers- pies.co.am> wrote: > Mortimer wrote: > > "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers-pies.co.am> wrote in > > messagenews:R1hcn.254433$cU2.68214(a)newsfe22.ams2... > >> Doug wrote: > >>> On 9 Feb, 09:37, "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-thr...(a)dibblers- > >>> pies.co.am> wrote: > >>>> Doug wrote: > >>>>> Also road deaths are among the top ten causes of death in the > >>>>> world, as a matter of interest for those here who are trying to > >>>>> play them down, at nine and is sixth in middle-income countries.. > >>>>> Now try to say they do not matter. > > >>>> To put all this in perspective, 830,000 die annually in the UK, > >>>> 2,500 of those from road accidents. > > >>> Closer to 3,000 plus those who die after 30 days of injury. > > >> It was actually 2538 in 2008. > > >> And you can compare that, if you like, with 8609 in 1940. > > > Possibly 1940 is not a very sensible year to choose, because the > > results will be skewed by the fact that drivers and pedestrians will > > be walking around at night in blackout conditions, and even during > > the day there will be far fewer cars because of petrol rationing. > > Well, you can have: > > 1970 7499 > 1980 5953 > 1990 5267 > 2000 3409 > 2008 2538 > > which is why I said: > > >> In fact, if you look at the statistics over the years, Doug, you'll > >> find that the relationship between deaths and car numbers on the > >> roads is actually an inverse one. The greater the number of cars on > >> the road, the fewer fatalities. > > > Maybe because people take greater care when there is a greater risk. > > Or maybe because new cars have better brakes and are more pedestrian > > friendly if they do hit a pedestrian. Or because more car occupants > > wear seat belts, though that could cause people to feel safer and so > > take more risks. > > Whatever the reasons, the correlation is clear. If Doug wants to reduce the > numbers killed on the roads, he should be arguing for more and more cars, > not fewer. > Nope, for less safe cars and much safer conditions for pedestrians and cyclists, as 50% of road deaths occur to car users who are increasingly well protected, unlike their victims. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |