From: Lookout on 15 Feb 2010 15:34 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:24:23 -0800, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Last time on rec.autos.driving, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> said: > >>I want to know the streets are safe when I'm driving. > >Then you'd better just stay home. The streets have never been safe, >and never will be. > >>I was a Drivers >>Trainer in the Army and I have a CDL. 16 year olds are NOT capable of >>being trusted to drive except under very ridged circumstances. > >I knew Ruffles had ridges, but I didn't know Circumstances had them, >too. Learn something new every day. ;) Stupid answer. Welcome to my filter.
From: Lookout on 15 Feb 2010 15:35 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:27:56 -0800 (PST), Matt <matttelles(a)sprynet.com> wrote: >On Feb 15, 12:24�am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:09:17 -0800 (PST), Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> <matttel...(a)sprynet.com> wrote: >> >On Feb 14, 3:13�am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:48:41 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)" >> >> >> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >Matt <matttel...(a)sprynet.com> wrote in >> >> >news:437fec10-7e76-43a6-a8c7-0edd43a249df(a)w27g2000pre.googlegroups.com: >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, 3:09�pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >> >> >> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Kill Kids" <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote >> >> >>> innews:X >> >> >> ns9D1E772E06965riemann1850yahoo...(a)216.168.3.70: >> >> >> >>> > It's such a huge worry when your kids hit 16 and you remember what >> >> >>> > you were �like at that age and how easy it easy for a dumb kid to >> >> >>> > drive crazy and kill/cripple himself or someone else and destroy >> >> >>> > his whole life. >> >> >> >>> > Hell - 20 would be even better. Teens, esp boys, are wild and don't >> >> >>> > think about consequences. >> >> >> >>> Why not wait until 21, then they can legally drink at the same time. >> >> >> >> Many years ago, I suggested dropping the drinking age to 12, removing >> >> >> the right entirely at the same age as a driver's license. I was >> >> >> kidding, of >> >> >> course, but sometimes... >> >> >> >> Raising ages only makes something more taboo, thus more desireable. >> >> >> Let them drink when their parents think they are ready. Let them drive >> >> >> when >> >> >> they can prove to the state/locality that they are ready. >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >There is a point there even though that post was simply a jibe at SADD. >> >> >> >The legal age of consent or when someone is considered an adult >> >> >(emancipated youth excepted) is either 18 or 21. �It really needs to be >> >> >one or the other. �I don't care which one is chosen, however, IMHO, >> >> >someone who is old enough to marry, vote and be sent by our president to >> >> >die on foreign soil, is certainly old enough to enter a bar and drink a >> >> >beer. >> >> >> On this we agree >> >> Make it 21 for both. >> >> >21 certainly makes sense. But then, why is it you can be drafted at >> >18, >> >serve your country and so forth? Many kids are working full-time at >> >18, >> >even some supporting families. >> >> >Age is an arbitrary choice, and too easy an out. >> >> >Matt >> >> 21 for draft too. > >I don't necessarily agree, but at least you are being consistent. > >Matt That's the best we can hope for in a discussion such as this.
From: Brent on 15 Feb 2010 16:12 On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC), Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:32:05 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:45:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On 2010-02-14, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:33:10 -0700, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:42:57 -0600, Speeders & Drunk Drivers Kill Kids >>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's such a huge worry when your kids hit 16 and you remember what you were >>>>>>>>> like at that age and how easy it easy for a dumb kid to drive crazy and >>>>>>>>> kill/cripple himself or someone else and destroy his whole life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hell - 20 would be even better. Teens, esp boys, are wild and don't think >>>>>>>>> about consequences. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Would age make any difference? It's the fact it's your first time. >>>>>>>>Kind of like hitting an amusement park for the first time you want to do >>>>>>>>everything as fast as you can. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wrong. We were all much more mature at 21 than we were at 16. >>>>>>> Or at least most of us were. >>>>>> >>>>>>So you'll punish those who were mature enough at 16? If we are going >>>>>>to use the slow-ship-in-the-fleet logic, then the driving age would be >>>>>>somewhere around 65 years old, upon which it would be limited because >>>>>>of age related problems. People would be allowed to drive for a few >>>>>>months of their lives. >>>>> >>>>> IF we have to make an arbitrary age I simply said 21. >>>>> And there are very few 16 year olds mature enough to drive. And less >>>>> now than there were 30 years ago. The kids today are idiots. >>>> >>>>of course 30 years ago people said: "The kids today are idiots" >>>> >>>>This could be a free country if it weren't for people's desires to >>>>control others. >>> >>> I want to know the streets are safe when I'm driving. I was a Drivers >>> Trainer in the Army and I have a CDL. 16 year olds are NOT capable of >>> being trusted to drive except under very ridged circumstances. >> >>'safety' is always the excuse of the tyrant and control freak. >> > It's called society. No it's not. Society declines as government control increases.
From: Lookout on 15 Feb 2010 17:02 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:12:36 +0000 (UTC), Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC), Brent >><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:32:05 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:45:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 2010-02-14, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:33:10 -0700, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:42:57 -0600, Speeders & Drunk Drivers Kill Kids >>>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's such a huge worry when your kids hit 16 and you remember what you were >>>>>>>>>> like at that age and how easy it easy for a dumb kid to drive crazy and >>>>>>>>>> kill/cripple himself or someone else and destroy his whole life. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hell - 20 would be even better. Teens, esp boys, are wild and don't think >>>>>>>>>> about consequences. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Would age make any difference? It's the fact it's your first time. >>>>>>>>>Kind of like hitting an amusement park for the first time you want to do >>>>>>>>>everything as fast as you can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wrong. We were all much more mature at 21 than we were at 16. >>>>>>>> Or at least most of us were. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So you'll punish those who were mature enough at 16? If we are going >>>>>>>to use the slow-ship-in-the-fleet logic, then the driving age would be >>>>>>>somewhere around 65 years old, upon which it would be limited because >>>>>>>of age related problems. People would be allowed to drive for a few >>>>>>>months of their lives. >>>>>> >>>>>> IF we have to make an arbitrary age I simply said 21. >>>>>> And there are very few 16 year olds mature enough to drive. And less >>>>>> now than there were 30 years ago. The kids today are idiots. >>>>> >>>>>of course 30 years ago people said: "The kids today are idiots" >>>>> >>>>>This could be a free country if it weren't for people's desires to >>>>>control others. >>>> >>>> I want to know the streets are safe when I'm driving. I was a Drivers >>>> Trainer in the Army and I have a CDL. 16 year olds are NOT capable of >>>> being trusted to drive except under very ridged circumstances. >>> >>>'safety' is always the excuse of the tyrant and control freak. >>> >> It's called society. > >No it's not. Society declines as government control increases. > That's an opinion and not a fact.
From: Brent on 15 Feb 2010 18:15
On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:12:36 +0000 (UTC), Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:32:05 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On 2010-02-15, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:45:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 2010-02-14, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:33:10 -0700, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:42:57 -0600, Speeders & Drunk Drivers Kill Kids >>>>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's such a huge worry when your kids hit 16 and you remember what you were >>>>>>>>>>> like at that age and how easy it easy for a dumb kid to drive crazy and >>>>>>>>>>> kill/cripple himself or someone else and destroy his whole life. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hell - 20 would be even better. Teens, esp boys, are wild and don't think >>>>>>>>>>> about consequences. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Would age make any difference? It's the fact it's your first time. >>>>>>>>>>Kind of like hitting an amusement park for the first time you want to do >>>>>>>>>>everything as fast as you can. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wrong. We were all much more mature at 21 than we were at 16. >>>>>>>>> Or at least most of us were. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So you'll punish those who were mature enough at 16? If we are going >>>>>>>>to use the slow-ship-in-the-fleet logic, then the driving age would be >>>>>>>>somewhere around 65 years old, upon which it would be limited because >>>>>>>>of age related problems. People would be allowed to drive for a few >>>>>>>>months of their lives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IF we have to make an arbitrary age I simply said 21. >>>>>>> And there are very few 16 year olds mature enough to drive. And less >>>>>>> now than there were 30 years ago. The kids today are idiots. >>>>>> >>>>>>of course 30 years ago people said: "The kids today are idiots" >>>>>> >>>>>>This could be a free country if it weren't for people's desires to >>>>>>control others. >>>>> >>>>> I want to know the streets are safe when I'm driving. I was a Drivers >>>>> Trainer in the Army and I have a CDL. 16 year olds are NOT capable of >>>>> being trusted to drive except under very ridged circumstances. >>>> >>>>'safety' is always the excuse of the tyrant and control freak. >>>> >>> It's called society. >> >>No it's not. Society declines as government control increases. > That's an opinion and not a fact. Prove me wrong. Name a society that has thrived under government micromanagement and a police state. |