How would an experienced driver have handled this?
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From: Paul on 19 Jul 2010 16:03 On 18 July, 22:55, Alex Heney <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:25:35 +0100, %ste...(a)malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) > wrote: > > >Mike Ross <m...(a)corestore.org> wrote: > > >> she was passing a horse TRAILER or box > > >No, writing TRAILER in capitals still doesn't change the origial post > >which referred to a carriage. > > And which in another part of the post referred to a trailer. > > It's obvious if you read the whole OP that she was actually referring > to a horse trailer, not a horse and carriage. Sorry Alex but you're wrong. It could be either, she's a new driver and obviously doesn't understand the difference between trailer and carriage. It could be either, but the 20MPH bit suggests its been a horse and carriage. Of course she may not be able to estimate speed either and it could have been a horse trailer travelling at 50 MPH.
From: Mrcheerful on 19 Jul 2010 16:08 Paul wrote: >> a horse carriage would be something to carry a horse, as opposed to a >> horse-drawn carriage or a horse and carriage. > > No, that would be a horse trailer or horse box, in the UK anyway. so by the same logic an 'invalid carriage' is a carriage pulled by an invalid?
From: Paul on 19 Jul 2010 16:17 On 19 July, 08:49, Jo <joanna.hamilto...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > Apologies for being unclear as to the nature of the vehicle I was > trying to overtake - it was a truck with a metal horse-box attached. I > do not know if there were horses within the box as the slats on the > wall were quite narrow. And there is another problem, you shouldn't even have noticed the slats, you should have been concentrating on the road and oncoming traffic, not the contents of the trailer (or maybe trying to see the horses inside). The use of the word truck also suggests this was a pretty long outfit, 25 foot or more, you need even more time and space for overtaking then. Why was the "truck" going so slow, or is there more to this than you have said (was it just moving off from a standstill for example) ?, no way would I expect any truck and trailer combination to be doing 20MPH unless it had a problem, was just setting off, or was in fact in a 20MPH limit zone. Anyway, you've gained valuable experience, and also now know how to pass a horse and carriage AND a horse trailer.
From: Paul on 19 Jul 2010 16:24 On 19 July, 18:44, Gareth <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On 19/07/2010 08:49, Jo wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > Apologies for being unclear as to the nature of the vehicle I was > > trying to overtake - it was a truck with a metal horse-box attached. I > > do not know if there were horses within the box as the slats on the > > wall were quite narrow. > > I don't think it matters if there were horses inside; the comments about > scaring horses are only really relevant to a horse drawn vehicle of > horse being ridden or lead along the road. You think wrong then, you don't want to scare horses inside the trailer either, if they start kicking out, jumping about inside the trailer, that becomes unstable and dangerous. > Excluding cyclists and stationary vehicles, it is quite a rare manoeuvre. Depends entirely upon where you live and drive, it may be rare for you, but is a common everyday thing around here.
From: Alex Heney on 19 Jul 2010 16:51
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:01:41 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote: >On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:49:01 +0100, Alex Heney <me8(a)privacy.net> >wrote: > >>On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:56:29 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> >>wrote: >> >><snip> >> >>>><shrug> You're allowed to have the wrong idea, I just hope I'm not >>>>around when you practice your brainwave of overtaking "as a surprise". >>>>Nothing you do should come as a surprise to anyone else on the road. >>> >>>If you let everyone know what you're up to, a lot of times they use it >>>against you. >> >>If people "use it against you", then said people shouldn't be on the >>road. > >Yeah. No kidding. So what? They're out there. > So you drive defensively. Which does NOT mean not letting anybody know what you are going to do. >>That is no excuse for driving like a pillock yourself by giving >>people no idea what you might be going to do. > >Sure it is. Its called not giving the bastards the opportunity. > No. It is called driving stupidly. >See, if I don't let 'em know, they guy behind is left sitting there >saying to himeself, "Well, if I'd have known he was going to do that, >I woulda followed him and we could both have passed." But since he >doesn't know, he can't do that, at least not anywhere close so that if >I decide I DO need to hit the brakes and abort the pass, I don't have >his radiator cap up m tailpipe. > >>> And, there's absolutely no value to those in the rear of >>>knowing you're going to pass. What are they gonna do about it, eh? >>> >> >>I have on a number of occasions had fats powerful cars pull out from >>behind me to overtake both me and vehicles in front. > >Not applicable. I'm not going to start a pass if someone is coming >from the rear like that. > So now you are telepathic too. I'm not talking about situations where somebody is approaching fast, I am talking about situations where a queue of traffic has formed, but then they pull out to overtake in a place where it wouldn't be safe for me - either because they are stupid, or because they have a car powerful enough that it is safe for them to overtake two of us when it wouldn't be safe for me to overtake one. But if it is in a place where I think it *is* safe, and I pull out to overtake, they may be trying the same thing if I haven't indicated. >>If I had been pulling out to overate without warning, that would have >>resulted in my trying 6to occupy the same piece of road as them. Which >>doesn't work. > >It would have been entirely your fault for failing to maintain >situational awareness. > One day, you should learn a little about *safe* driving. Everything you have said so far indicates that you are a danger on the roads. The above would only be my fault AT ALL for not indicating. >>If I am going to overtake, and there is somebody behind me, I >>indicate, to make sure that doesn't happen. > >You go right ahead. I watch what is going on in order to do the same >thing. If everybody drove like you, then you wouldn't have a clue what would be going on, because nobody would be giving any indication. >You're flaw is that you expect them not to attempt to overtake >simply 'cuz you make some little light flash. Ha! I don't trust 'em >that far. I'm going to do things for myself. I trust me a whale of a >lot more than I trust them. I don't "trust" them not to try it. I do trust them to at least be aware enough not to ram me in that situation. And if they are unaware enough to do so, then I know it would be all their fault. Hopefully with no more than damage to vehicles to show for their error. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager I can see clearly now, the brain is gone... To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom |