From: Dave Head on
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:57:33 +0100, Alex Heney <me8(a)privacy.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:59:34 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:01:47 +0100, Alex Heney <me8(a)privacy.net>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>If you have a very powerful car, then you can be sure nobody *can* do
>>>that to you.
>>>
>>>I don't,. I have a normal family estate car.
>>
>>Who's fault is that?
>
>Why would it be a "fault"?

'Cuz its a slug that will get you in trouble when you need
perforamance unexpectedly.
From: Matthew Russotto on
In article <d847768f-e2a0-43a0-b86c-7c7ed1ae2ec3(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
gpsman <gpsman(a)driversmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>On Jul 20, 11:39=A0pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
>wrote:
>> In article <4355dc71-8f52-43f7-bbc0-4d7c0aeb5...(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> gpsman =A0<gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jul 20, 9:18=3DA0pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <gc01o.174440$9c1.83361(a)hurricane>,
>>
>> >> Justin Credible <matt.fin...(a)btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >"steve robinson" <st...(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> >news:xn0gws8hxbgtqb002(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> >> >> Better to be 5 minutes late in this world than 40 years early in th=
>e
>> >> >> next
>>
>> >> >Or as US pilots put it; "better off late and anonymous than the lead =
>sto=3D
>> >ry
>> >> >on Fox News at 9".
>>
>> >> I'll take the risk.
>>
>> >That would be fine, if you could. =A0Unfortunately, risky maneuvers are
>> >a risk to others.
>>
>> Everything's a risk to others.
>
>Watch out then, I'm posting this to Usenet, then I'm going to bed.
>
>> >> Those latenesses here and there add up.
>>
>> >Leave earlier.
>>
>> The time adds up whether I cut an earlier activity short to cover the
>> longer drive time, or whether I'm late to the later activity.
>
>If a minor delay makes you late, you need to better schedule.

Adding slack time adds up too.
--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.
From: gpsman on
On Jul 21, 10:07 pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
wrote:
> In article <d847768f-e2a0-43a0-b86c-7c7ed1ae2...(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups..com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> gpsman  <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 20, 11:39=A0pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
> >wrote:
> >> In article <4355dc71-8f52-43f7-bbc0-4d7c0aeb5...(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.=
> >com>,
>
> >> gpsman =A0<gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jul 20, 9:18=3DA0pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> In article <gc01o.174440$9c1.83361(a)hurricane>,
>
> >> >> Justin Credible <matt.fin...(a)btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >"steve robinson" <st...(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:xn0gws8hxbgtqb002(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> >> >> Better to be 5 minutes late in this world than 40 years early in th=
> >e
> >> >> >> next
>
> >> >> >Or as US pilots put it; "better off late and anonymous than the lead =
> >sto=3D
> >> >ry
> >> >> >on Fox News at 9".
>
> >> >> I'll take the risk.
>
> >> >That would be fine, if you could. =A0Unfortunately, risky maneuvers are
> >> >a risk to others.
>
> >> Everything's a risk to others.
>
> >Watch out then, I'm posting this to Usenet, then I'm going to bed.
>
> >> >> Those latenesses here and there add up.
>
> >> >Leave earlier.
>
> >> The time adds up whether I cut an earlier activity short to cover the
> >> longer drive time, or whether I'm late to the later activity.
>
> >If a minor delay makes you late, you need to better schedule.
>
> Adding slack time adds up too.

Then you're not really interested in ensuring you're on-time.
-----

- gpsman
From: Farmer Giles on

"Justin Credible" <matt.finish(a)btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:vs01o.437011$_m6.430418(a)hurricane...
>
>
> "Farmer Giles" <Giles(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:et-dncTnu-DbkN7RnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d(a)brightview.com...
>>
>>
>> Hello Jo
>>
>> I've been driving for 47 years, and I think in that time I mght have made
>> the occasional mistake! We have all done similar things, to what you
>> describe, on occasions. In the circumstances that you found yourself you
>> did ok - although, perhaps, it might have been better if you had
>> exercised a bit more patience and not tried to overtake when you did. New
>> drivers almost invariably feel pressured by other drivers. The important
>> thing to (always) remember is that safety is paramount, so ignore other
>> drivers - who are often aggressive and self-righteous (and wrong!). When
>> I was teaching my daughter to drive, I remember that she was always
>> overly concerned about what other drivers were thinking - was she driving
>> too slowly, taking too much time at road junctions, etc, etc - I always
>> told her to ignore other drivers, and simply do what she thought was
>> best - and what was safe. I give the same advice to you.
>
> But where do you draw the line?
>
> I have been driving since 1981 (not as long as you) but for 16 years of
> that I was driving 65,000 miles a year.
>
> In short, I've driven more miles than most motorists will ever rack up in
> a lifetime. And all of that without a single conviction or accident.
>
> So I reckon I'm qualified to comment.

You certainly are.


>
> An example of "where do you draw the line?": my wife and I, having
> enjoyed a very enjoyable "two courses for �7.95" lunch at Chiquitos, left
> the area and came upto a roundabout in the outside lane, intending to turn
> right. It's a very busy roundabout on a Saturday (it also serves the local
> Mall) and we pulled up behind a young lad in a Clio displaying a green P
> plate.
>
> So I knew he was a novice and left the appropriate gap in case he rolled
> backwards.
>
> So we sat and waited. And waited. And waited. And watched as at least
> three clear opportunities for him to pull out were disregarded.
>
> I used the room I'd left between his car and mine to flip through on the
> inside and within 3 seconds I was away.
>
> Alas, an unmarked police vehicle witnessed the manoeuvre and pulled me.
> Made me sit in his car, did a PNC check, checked the vehicle's insurance
> status and said "what you did was perfectly safe but you were in the wrong
> lane, don't do that again". I explained why I'd done it which, initially,
> fell on deaf ears.
>
> The kicker? I glanced back at the roundabout and the novice driver was
> **still** sat there waiting to emerge...........accompanied by a whole
> queue of cars. I pointed to the novice and said to the cop who'd pulled
> me "he's still there, you might want to go and give him a hand" to which
> the response was "mmmm, I'm sure they give driving licences away with
> Cornflake packets".
>
> He bid me farewell and I went on my way. He'd made his point and I'd made
> mine.

Clearly, his waiting was excessive - but he was a nervous novice. Were you
in a particular hurry? Better that he errs on the side of caution, rather
than take a risk. The usual tendency is for novices to rush when in doubt -
I prefer this lad's method!


From: Farmer Giles on

"Jo" <joanna.hamilton90(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7b001aa0-504d-4da4-bcd3-818ed8006c07(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "Jo" <joanna.hamilton90(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cc357b2e-5fa8-446f-b65b-8c46eb71b8da(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I'm quite shaken as I had a brush with the grim reaper today :(
>> >
>> > Coming off a roundabout, I was driving along an A-road immediately
>> > behind a horse carriage doing 20 mph in a 60 mph road. I was about 150
>> > yards past the roundabout and a queue of cars had built up behind me.
>> >
>> > I felt pressured into overtaking the horse carriage. It was too slow
>> > for 3rd gear and I was in 2nd gear. The horse carriage seemed to speed
>> > up as I was overtaking them (but can't be sure). I sped up to about
>> > 30mph and was now astride the rear wheels of the vehicle. I fumbled
>> > the 2-3rd gear change (seemed stuck and cost me a few seconds to try
>> > again) and oncoming traffic lead by a truck was now too close. There
>> > was enough space if I didn't fumble the 2-3rd gear change and didn't
>> > expect my spot behind the horse trailer to be closed up so quickly
>> >
>> > So having no choice I floored the accelerator to 60mph on 3rd gear.
>> > The oncoming traffic went to the left of their lane to make way for me
>> > and three vehicles were astride at one point.
>> >
>> > If you were in that situation what would you have done? I couldn't
>> > have gone back and it seems the only way was to get past and in front
>> > of the horse trailer.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any advice. Please don't flame me I'm a new driver and my
>> > confidence has been badly shaken today already :(
>> >
>> > Jo
>>
>> Hello Jo
>>
>> I've been driving for 47 years, and I think in that time I mght have made
>> the occasional mistake! We have all done similar things, to what you
>> describe, on occasions. In the circumstances that you found yourself you
>> did
>> ok - although, perhaps, it might have been better if you had exercised a
>> bit
>> more patience and not tried to overtake when you did. New drivers almost
>> invariably feel pressured by other drivers. The important thing to
>> (always)
>> remember is that safety is paramount, so ignore other drivers - who are
>> often aggressive and self-righteous (and wrong!). When I was teaching my
>> daughter to drive, I remember that she was always overly concerned about
>> what other drivers were thinking - was she driving too slowly, taking too
>> much time at road junctions, etc, etc - I always told her to ignore other
>> drivers, and simply do what she thought was best - and what was safe. I
>> give
>> the same advice to you.
>
> Thanks Farmer Giles. Your post made me feel much better :)
>
> Jo

You're very welcome. I appreciate your thanks, but I'd be much more
appreciative if you always try to kep my advice in mind.