From: Roger Chapman on
On 22/06/2010 08:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<88b6kqFd4pU2(a)mid.individual.net>,
> Adrian<toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roger Chapman<roger(a)nospam.zetnet.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much
>> like they were saying:
>
>>> There may be more Interceptors left than Vauxhalls of the same vintage.
>
>> You say that like it's a bad thing.
>

Not really. Just a reflection of the relative rates of attrition.

> A dripping in chrome Cresta is a wonder to behold - the last of that sort
> of car, really. It would be sad to see them totally disappear.
>
The E series were the last Vauxhalls with the unmistakeably chrome
flutes down the sides of the bonnet.
From: Peter Hill on
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:31:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <T-WdnUbWsfcES4LRnZ2dnUVZ8o2dnZ2d(a)bt.com>,
> Roger Chapman <roger(a)nospam.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 21/06/2010 13:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> > In article<KOSdnclx8duo14LRnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d(a)bt.com>,
>> > Roger Chapman<roger(a)nospam.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> There may be more Interceptors left than Vauxhalls of the same vintage.
>> >> Driving into Keighley a few weeks ago I saw a circa 1955 Cresta coming
>> >> the other way. Given their propensity to rot there can't be many of them
>> >> left.
>> >
>> > See the Luton Festival of Transport thread.
>
>> But how many of them were Series E rot boxes (superseded in 1957)? The
>> Victor was the replacement for the Wyvern and was introduced in 1957.
>> The Cresta and Victor names lived on till 1972 unlike Wyvern.
>
>There were examples of all the 50s and 60s cars in mint condition. Of
>course I have no idea how many are left. The owners club could probably
>tell you.

You have to be nuts to buy, restore and keep the Vauxhall you or your
dad or granddad drove around in and not one of the cars everyone
lusted after. You have to go long way back to find a "thoroughbred"
Vauxhall. Some of the more recent ones may just make the grade.

If you take the list of all pre 1972 cars from MOT data as being the
result of creative ability of MOT guys taking a shortcut to enter
older models of car on VOSA database then it's not many.

ASTRA 1901 1
1971* 187
ASTRAVAN 1971* 5
BELMONT 1971* 2
VAUXHALL CALIBRA 1971* 61
CARLTON 1971* 2
CAVALIER 1971* 91
CHEVETTE 1968 1
COMBO 1971* 7
CORSA 1971* 110
FRONTERA 1971* 61
MONTEREY 1971* 1
NOVA 1971* 9
OMEGA 1971* 6
SINTRA 1971* 1
TIGRA 1971* 21
VECTRA 1971* 85
VICEROY 1966 1

total 652

If they don't have an MOT they aren't on the road. Of course VOSA
could have "lost" a few. Going on tax and new car reg numbers (no mot
for first 3 years) it seems the MOT data is about 3 million cars
short.

The gap between taxed and registered is even greater and treasury are
sure it equals number of tax evaders.
--
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From: Dave Plowman (News) on
In article <en0226lj6k2keh536g0qeau9qube16hmt4(a)4ax.com>,
Peter Hill <peter.usenet1(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >There were examples of all the 50s and 60s cars in mint condition. Of
> >course I have no idea how many are left. The owners club could probably
> >tell you.

> You have to be nuts to buy, restore and keep the Vauxhall you or your
> dad or granddad drove around in and not one of the cars everyone
> lusted after. You have to go long way back to find a "thoroughbred"
> Vauxhall. Some of the more recent ones may just make the grade.

You have to be nuts to buy restore and keep any old car. Because even the
ones many lust after - like say an E-Type Jag, or DB5 - is totally blown
away by many modern cars which can be bought for much less.
You buy these cars because you like them. And one may like a Cresta,
another a Jag MkII 3.8. It's all down to individual quirks - not logic.

> If you take the list of all pre 1972 cars from MOT data as being the
> result of creative ability of MOT guys taking a shortcut to enter
> older models of car on VOSA database then it's not many.

> ASTRA 1901 1
> 1971* 187
> ASTRAVAN 1971* 5
> BELMONT 1971* 2
> VAUXHALL CALIBRA 1971* 61
> CARLTON 1971* 2
> CAVALIER 1971* 91
> CHEVETTE 1968 1
> COMBO 1971* 7
> CORSA 1971* 110
> FRONTERA 1971* 61
> MONTEREY 1971* 1
> NOVA 1971* 9
> OMEGA 1971* 6
> SINTRA 1971* 1
> TIGRA 1971* 21
> VECTRA 1971* 85
> VICEROY 1966 1

> total 652

Zero of the cars I'm talking about there - Wyvern, Velox, Cresta, Victor.
All '50s and '60s.

> If they don't have an MOT they aren't on the road. Of course VOSA
> could have "lost" a few. Going on tax and new car reg numbers (no mot
> for first 3 years) it seems the MOT data is about 3 million cars
> short.

> The gap between taxed and registered is even greater and treasury are
> sure it equals number of tax evaders.

Perhaps older cars ain't on the database.

--
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Dave Plowman dave(a)davenoise.co.uk London SW
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From: Dean Dark on
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:37:42 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>Zero of the cars I'm talking about there - Wyvern, Velox, Cresta, Victor.
>All '50s and '60s.

My father sold his nearly new Hillman California and bought an early
50s Cresta back in the 50s. I wasn't privy to the precise details of
why, but I did pick up that it was something to do with his ex-wife.

The Cresta was a magnificent vehicle, but by the late 50s the "fat
fender" style was doomed to obsolescence by the squarer "shoebox"
style.

At the time, Dad loved his California. I know it was tough for him to
step down from it.
From: Jerry on

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:512b948a13dave(a)davenoise.co.uk...
: In article <en0226lj6k2keh536g0qeau9qube16hmt4(a)4ax.com>,
: Peter Hill <peter.usenet1(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>
:
: > The gap between taxed and registered is even greater and
treasury are
: > sure it equals number of tax evaders.
:
: Perhaps older cars ain't on the database.
:

Why would any "Historic" Taxation class of vehicle be on a
government 'tax evaders' database, how does one 'evade' paying
nothing?!...
--
Regards, Jerry.


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